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smallspy said:
Those are the other two that I am aware of, yes. It strikes me that under Birchmount on the BD would have also been a logical place to leave a potential station location, but the line profile doesn't indicate that.

Dan
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The lack of a station on the BD at Birchmount is no doubt due to to the high cost of the Kennedy extension at the time which itself was caused by the extension having to be built underground due to local opposition and CN not wanting to cooperate with the TTC in regards to the GECO subdivision. Had the extension been built at the surface like it was between Vic Park and Warden than I think there would have been a good chance of a stop being built at Birchmount.

In fact this isn't the first time this has happened. Back when the Spadina Extension of Line 1 was being planned the TTC originally proposed a station between St.Clair West and Eglinton West at Glen Cedar Road called Vaughan. This station wasn't built due to the section of the line being buried after residents of York made it clear they didn't want anything running through the Cedarvale Ravine not a highway nor a subway. The only map I could find of this has the station as part of the Bathurst Street alignment but I assume the station would have been retained even with the highway alignment had either the highway been built or local opposition not as fierce.

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JSF-1 said:
The lack of a station on the BD at Birchmount is no doubt due to to the high cost of the Kennedy extension at the time which itself was caused by the extension having to be built underground due to local opposition and CN not wanting to cooperate with the TTC in regards to the GECO subdivision. Had the extension been built at the surface like it was between Vic Park and Warden than I think there would have been a good chance of a stop being built at Birchmount.
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Maybe....but maybe not. There are no terrain features which force a particular configuration of grade separation over another other than the crossing of Taylor Creek to the east of Birchmount. But this same creek also caused the tunnel alignment to begin to deepen at Birchmount, which is part of the reason why a station can't be built there today. Elevating the line over Birchmount would have caused similar cost consternation, as the "roughing in" of a location for a station at Birchmount would have required the extension of the elevated section - increasing costs.

JSF-1 said:
In fact this isn't the first time this has happened. Back when the Spadina Extension of Line 1 was being planned the TTC originally proposed a station between St.Clair West and Eglinton West at Glen Cedar Road called Vaughan. This station wasn't built due to the section of the line being buried after residents of York made it clear they didn't want anything running through the Cedarvale Ravine not a highway nor a subway. The only map I could find of this has the station as part of the Bathurst Street alignment but I assume the station would have been retained even with the highway alignment had either the highway been built or local opposition not as fierce.

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Yes, but the discussion of potential stations versus ones that have or haven't been roughed in could make for a couple of chapters in the rather long book of Toronto transit plans.

Dan
 
JSF-1 said:
The lack of a station on the BD at Birchmount is no doubt due to to the high cost of the Kennedy extension at the time which itself was caused by the extension having to be built underground due to local opposition and CN not wanting to cooperate with the TTC in regards to the GECO subdivision. Had the extension been built at the surface like it was between Vic Park and Warden than I think there would have been a good chance of a stop being built at Birchmount.

In fact this isn't the first time this has happened. Back when the Spadina Extension of Line 1 was being planned the TTC originally proposed a station between St.Clair West and Eglinton West at Glen Cedar Road called Vaughan. This station wasn't built due to the section of the line being buried after residents of York made it clear they didn't want anything running through the Cedarvale Ravine not a highway nor a subway. The only map I could find of this has the station as part of the Bathurst Street alignment but I assume the station would have been retained even with the highway alignment had either the highway been built or local opposition not as fierce.

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If this Vaughan station were to exist, then either this station or Vaughan Metropolitan Centre station would have to be renamed.
 
Johnny Au said:
If this Vaughan station were to exist, then either this station or Vaughan Metropolitan Centre station would have to be renamed.
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Yeah, the fact that a street called "Vaughan" and a neighborhood called "York" exist nowhere near the real Vaughan in York region is just... smh.
 
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81-717 said:
Yeah, the fact that a street called "Vaughan" and a neighborhood called "York" exist nowhere near the real Vaughan in York region is just... smh.
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Well that's because the City of York and York Region were once one and the same; York County. Or more accurately the City of York was once the Township of York which was part of York County. The City of Toronto wasn't fully part of York County but was still involved in the wider regional planning and I believe was also the seat of the county government (like how Guelph isn't part of Dufferin County but still works with it and is the county seat). So York County was made up of everything that makes up today's York Region and Toronto. Things started to change first in 1913 when the Village of Leaside was carved out of the township. In 1923 the Village of Forest Hill was carved out of the township, and then in 1924 the northern part of the Township broke away and became to Town of North York. This split the Township in two so the eastern exclave was reorganized into the Town of East York with what remained of the old Township becoming the Town of York. The three Yorks (York, East York, and North York) alongside Forest Hill and Leaside were still part of York County along with Vaughan, Markham etc. but this would last until 1953. When the Province established Metropolitan Toronto they decided that York County would be split into two at Steeles Avenue with everything on the south side becoming Metro Toronto while everything on the north side would remain York County until 1970 when it was reincorporated as the Regional Municipality of York. So both York Region and the old City of York are both the real York, or more accurately York Region is York County while the City of York is York Township which was part of York County until 1953.
 
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81-717 said:
Yeah, the fact that a street called "Vaughan" and a neighborhood called "York" exist nowhere near the real Vaughan in York region is just... smh.
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Why is this smh? Toronto and Vaughan are separate cities. Neither is obligated to set its geographical names in accordance with the other.
 
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