flyinggoats
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Because the Province wants to delay spending the money
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Because the Province wants to delay spending the money
ehlow
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Umm Eglinton West? (Paging ehlow and Burloak)
However in theory, why not just give the people what they want? In fact, that's what John Tory's campaign is all about.
I think I'll just stay out of these "classic" discussions on what transit lines to build for a while
.Midtown Urbanist
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I'm generally pro-LRT but I am not convinced Sheppard East LRT is needed with current demands.
If the residents really don't want it, just spend a couple hundred million dollars on BRT and use the money that would've gone to the LRT to help finance the DRL. When they see how amazing Eglinton is in 2020, they and their NIMBY ways can go cry in the corner for all I care.
If the residents really don't want it, just spend a couple hundred million dollars on BRT and use the money that would've gone to the LRT to help finance the DRL. When they see how amazing Eglinton is in 2020, they and their NIMBY ways can go cry in the corner for all I care.
denfromoakvillemilton
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Their scared and waiting for the municipal election to be over so that the Liberal government can say they are with the plans of whoever wins
Sheppard does need RT. IMO if there was a conversion plan to changed the rest of sheppard to LRT then this would get much more support. Others might say just build the subway.
ehlow
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BRT is fine, if it's real BRT (exclusive lanes, off board fares with POP, level all door boarding, articulated buses), like VIVA.
The buses are smaller vehicles than the light rail vehicles and it's a bumpier ride, but other than that it's the same thing as LRT anyways, so really it doesn't matter whether it's wheels or rails.
Oh yeah and buses can't operate in multi unit trains like LRVs.
Having said that, those who hate LRT would probably hate BRT too, since it's the same thing, it's transit lanes on the road.
spider
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Memo to "Eglinton Connects" design people.
Do we really need all those Bike lanes, really?
Today, a beautiful early afternoon July day, I drove Eglinton Avenue from Bathurst to Leslie. I know the Cyclists lobby will set their hair on fire again as they do every time evidence counter to their vision of the world is presented but here is the score, 2 cyclists, hundreds of motor vehicles. The 2 cyclists were encountered between Avenue Rd and Mount Pleasant Rd, the section where you planned an equal number of lanes for cyclists and motor vehicles).
Bathurst to Avenue Rd and Mount Pleasant to Leslie Street were entirely Cyclist free.
Do we really need all those Bike lanes, really?
Today, a beautiful early afternoon July day, I drove Eglinton Avenue from Bathurst to Leslie. I know the Cyclists lobby will set their hair on fire again as they do every time evidence counter to their vision of the world is presented but here is the score, 2 cyclists, hundreds of motor vehicles. The 2 cyclists were encountered between Avenue Rd and Mount Pleasant Rd, the section where you planned an equal number of lanes for cyclists and motor vehicles).
Bathurst to Avenue Rd and Mount Pleasant to Leslie Street were entirely Cyclist free.
ehlow
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It's over, it passed city council.
You can take solace in the fact that it will be many many years before any of this actually happens.
In the meantime, LRT construction has reduced the street to 2 lanes for the next 6 years at least anyways as you probably saw.
denfromoakvillemilton
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Yeah, connects won't be up and running for at least 8 years anyway so I don't see the problem.
ehlow
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I would think a lot more than 8 years.
But this is meaningless right now anyways since LRT construction has reduced the whole road to two lanes for at least 6 years. We all know it could slip a year or two as well as Spadina ext. has. This affects all 10km if the road instead of the 1.5 km in Eglinton Connects.
I'll ask spider: do you really care about >10 years later? Are you sure you'll be driving at Yonge & Eg regularly that far in the future?
nfitz
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What has current demands got to do with anything. The LRT network was designed based on 2031 ridership and congestion levels, which are forecast to seriously deteriorate along Sheppard East. It was the horrendous increase in travel times in 2031 compared to 2006 that lead to the Sheppard East LRT.
But tell me ... how would you improve the 2031 travel time if you don't build LRT? And dedicated-lane BRT doesn't count, given it takes more road width, isn't particularly cheaper, causes a congestion problem crossing the 404, and creates a difficult transfer at Don Mills station.
Tuscani01
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As a driver, I would say yes, we do need more bike lanes. The only time I use my Bixi membership is if I am going to a place that is connected to my home by bike lanes. I would bike a lot more, as would many other drivers, if more bike lanes existed. It's the only thing holding people like me back from cycling. I do not feel safe on Eglinton as it exists today and wouldn't even consider cycling along it. Put in a bike lane, and I will be the first to hang up my keys and use a bike.
ehlow
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I think bixi would work well in a neighbourhood like Yonge & Eg, since people could bike to the subway stop to reduce the "last mile" problem, expanding the catchment area of the subway station.
BurlOak
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I think you were supposed to drive up to 401 and then back down on Leslie. Eglinton Connects said that nobody goes straight through Yonge and that why traffic volumes drop off so significantly in the section between Avenue and Mt. Pleasant.
junctionist
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Bike lanes will be useful on Eglinton. The street will be revitalized and people will bike to the strip, LRT stations and for new trips that were previously unimaginable in Scarborough because of a lack of bike lanes. People moving into condos will be more likely to bike.
A lot of people bike in Scarborough--mostly on sidewalks. It isn't a good situation, and bike lanes will address it.
A lot of people bike in Scarborough--mostly on sidewalks. It isn't a good situation, and bike lanes will address it.
BurlOak
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How about frequent and integrated GO service from Agincourt.