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[BurlOak]

My problem with this cost argument is that it's also possible to have the Scarborough LRT & at-grade ROW Eglinton East, just like in the original Transit City plan. So to me, it's not a binary choice between A & B above.

This option was defeated by and is opposed by:

1. The Provincial Government
2. City Council
3. TTC and Metrolinx
4. 2 of the top 3 mayoralty candidates, representing 60% of polling support.

This third option is not available because it is opposed by almost every group and it is proven that if it is tabled it will be defeated.

 

[BurlOak]

The argument presented by Burloak is that elevating Eglinton and combining the line with the SRT is cheaper than doing the Scarborough Subway extension.

I was just noting that it isn't actually cheaper due to the increased DRL cost.

I will accept that it is more expensive when the DRL is added in, but

it can also be said that the current plan of a B-D subway extension, or the Transit City plan with separate ECLRT and SRT, will not facilitate the construction of any DRL - GO will be able to adequately serve the need - and that is the only reason why the elevated plan can be considered more expensive.

 

[Riverdale Rink Rat]

I am just trying to propose a solution that:

1. Serves the people of Scarborough
2. Saves $1B.
3. Is a compromise between 2 extremes that will eliminate the constant cancelling of plans.
4. Is compatible with, and encourages, other needed transit such as the DRL and electrified GO.

The proposals considered so far only satisfy maybe 2 of these.

BO, I must admit it's fun to come to this thread once every year or so and see you continue to passionately advocate for a solution NOONE - not your Mom, not our insane Mayor, not any transit advocate, left or right - thinks is non-insane. Gives me faith in the bedrock constants in an ever changing world.

But. You're still wrong.

 

[nfitz]

I am just trying to propose a solution that:

1. Serves the people of Scarborough
2. Saves $1B.
3. Is a compromise between 2 extremes that will eliminate the constant cancelling of plans.
4. Is compatible with, and encourages, other needed transit such as the DRL and electrified GO.

The proposals considered so far only satisfy maybe 2 of these.

Construction has already begun on the at-surface LRT in the centre of Eglinton. I see no more point debating this at this point, as whether we should debate converting the Bloor-Danforth line to coal.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

BurlOak's argument is that the choice is between either:

A. Scarborough LRT & fully grade-separated Eglinton East (essentially the 2010 MOU plan)
B. Scarborough Subway (Danforth ext) & at-grade ROW Eglinton East (the current plan)

Therefore the savings from building Scarborough LRT instead of the Scarborough subway can be subtracted from the cost to fully grade-separate Eglinton East.

Many argue full grade-separation of Eglinton East through Scarborough is unnecessary, but by through-routing it with SRT, the MOU plan projections boosted the ridership up to justify it. This essentially assumes those taking the SRT will take Eglinton to Yonge and go down Yonge, rather than using the Bloor line as they would currently.

My problem with this cost argument is that it's also possible to have the Scarborough LRT & at-grade ROW Eglinton East, just like in the original Transit City plan. So to me, it's not a binary choice between A & B above.

Anyways, this exact same argument comes up every month.

I think this will all be a moot point. A DRL to Science Centre should still happen regardless of plan. The goal is to get people off Yonge.

 

[BurlOak]

BO, I must admit it's fun to come to this thread once every year or so and see you continue to passionately advocate for a solution NOONE - not your Mom, not our insane Mayor, not any transit advocate, left or right - thinks is non-insane. Gives me faith in the bedrock constants in an ever changing world.

But. You're still wrong.

I guess I look at things differently than other people. There has been talk of extending the subway to STC for a decade or more. Then it was switched to LRT with transfer at Kennedy, then to subway, then LRT, then subway. It also resulted in Rob Ford being elected mayor. How long will this cycle of futility continue?

 

[nfitz]

It also resulted in Rob Ford being elected mayor.

The Scarborough subway had little more effect on Rob Ford being elected mayor than the sex life of moths in New Zealand.

And I fail to see the link. If one wants the Scarborough subway one votes for a racist?

 

[ehlow]

Construction has already begun on the at-surface LRT in the centre of Eglinton. I see no more point debating this at this point, as whether we should debate converting the Bloor-Danforth line to coal.

While I agree that it's likely too late, I don't think at-surface LRT construction has started yet, only tunnel.

The contract for the surface section & underground stations is currently in the bidding process where Metrolinx works with the bidders. The contract is finalized spring 2015 with construction for those things starting later in 2015.

It's still likely too late for major changes, but the surface part hasn't started construction, currently only the tunnel is.

Source: http://stevemunro.ca/?p=9038

 

[nfitz]

While I agree that it's likely too late, I don't think at-surface LRT construction has started yet, only tunnel.

They are working on the portal first. Part of the current hole they are digging will be outside. It's in the middle of Eglinton, and can no longer be moved, without building a very expensive and completed interchange at Leslie and Egilnton.

The contract for the surface section & underground stations is currently in the bidding process where Metrolinx works with the bidders. The contract is finalized spring 2015 with construction for those things starting later in 2015.

It's still likely too late for major changes, but the surface part hasn't started construction, currently only the tunnel is.

.. and the exit of the tunnel. It's done ... it's in the middle. Sure, they could have done better ... but what's the point of going on about it now ...

 

[ehlow]

They are working on the portal first. Part of the current hole they are digging will be outside. It's in the middle of Eglinton, and can no longer be moved, without building a very expensive and completed interchange at Leslie and Egilnton.

.. and the exit of the tunnel. It's done ... it's in the middle. Sure, they could have done better ... but what's the point of going on about it now ...

I don't disagree, they're starting to build the eastern launch shaft of the TBMs. I'm just saying they haven't started the actual surface part yet.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

While I agree that it's likely too late, I don't think at-surface LRT construction has started yet, only tunnel.

The contract for the surface section & underground stations is currently in the bidding process where Metrolinx works with the bidders. The contract is finalized spring 2015 with construction for those things starting later in 2015.

It's still likely too late for major changes, but the surface part hasn't started construction, currently only the tunnel is.

Source: http://stevemunro.ca/?p=9038

Rob Plans to bury Eglinton East. I don't know how that will go, but he does.

 

[rbt]

Rob Plans to bury Eglinton East. I don't know how that will go, but he does.

Rob and Doug say lots of things but their ability to execute is lacking.

The best they will be able to do is keep it as bus service. They may try to start an EA but promptly forget about it (dog with a puffy tail walked past) and it'll sit.

 

[nfitz]

Rob Plans to bury Eglinton East. I don't know how that will go, but he does.

I don't see what relevance the plans of a crack-smoking racist have to do with anything. He had similar plans when he was elected in 2010 that came to nought. It's not like he's going to have any more authority over council if he does actually get re-elected.

Let's focus on plausible scenarios here.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Rob Plans to bury Eglinton East. I don't know how that will go, but he does.

Rob plans to build subways on Finch too.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Construction has already begun on the at-surface LRT in the centre of Eglinton.

It has? Where?