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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

sixrings said:
The older demographic wont but they will continue to have parking... My wife and my friends all between 35-50 would walk or bike from our houses. Eglinton connects works because it gives everyone a option where as today it really is a street designed primarily for the car, the pedestrian second and the cyclist a distant third. Eglinton connects puts equal emphasis across all three categories. And to be clear I drive everyday so Im not anti car. In fact I love my car.
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ehlow said:
I would also like to clarify that I'm not an "anti-car nut" as andrewpmk puts it.

I own a car and drive it regularly, often on Eglinton, I also walk daily on Eglinton as well.
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Do you guys live in homes or apartments?
 
sixrings said:
I live in a house
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The vast majority of people near Yonge/Eglinton live in apartnents. The cost of a house there is extremely high.

I just think that if you build thousands of new condo units there the light rail will be really overcrowded and the traffic will be really bad, particularly if you do something absurd like narrowing a major road to 1 lane each way. I think that the Eglinton LRT will be a major fiasco come 2020 or so when it turns out to be as overcrowded as the Tokyo subway.
 
andrewpmk said:
The vast majority of people near Yonge/Eglinton live in apartnents. The cost of a house there is extremely high.

I just think that if you build thousands of new condo units there the light rail will be really overcrowded and the traffic will be really bad, particularly if you do something absurd like narrowing a major road to 1 lane each way. I think that the Eglinton LRT will be a major fiasco come 2020 or so when it turns out to be as overcrowded as the Tokyo subway.
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therefore dont build bike lanes and dont make the area more pedestrian friendly?????????
 
andrewpmk said:
The vast majority of people near Yonge/Eglinton live in apartnents. The cost of a house there is extremely high.

I just think that if you build thousands of new condo units there the light rail will be really overcrowded and the traffic will be really bad, particularly if you do something absurd like narrowing a major road to 1 lane each way. I think that the Eglinton LRT will be a major fiasco come 2020 or so when it turns out to be as overcrowded as the Tokyo subway.
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I'll take an overhwhelming success over another sheppard line any day of the week. If you're right it will be a revenue generating line as well. I'm more worried about the added stress on the Yonge line because of the condos and crosstown, than anything else.

Also, if these condo people use the crosstown, won't they be going against rush hour traffic (the empty trains) on the crosstown? My general thinking is everyone is trying to get to Yonge in the morning.
 
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sixrings said:
I live in a house
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WislaHD said:
I've lived in an apartment building and now live in a condo building.

Most of my friends live in houses in the neighborhood. Our experiences with transportation usages are pretty much identical.
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I'm just trying to figure this out because I was thinking some people have cars but live in apartments in condos in the area. That is what makes Yonge - Eglinton unique from the outer burbs or downtown, people can walk, use transit or bike so Eglinton connects was the correct solution. Sixrings you live a little west so it's a bit different but I'm guessing you guys think Eglinton could still be more urban?
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
I'm just trying to figure this out because I was thinking some people have cars but live in apartments in condos in the area. That is what makes Yonge - Eglinton unique from the outer burbs or downtown, people can walk, use transit or bike so Eglinton connects was the correct solution. Sixrings you live a little west so it's a bit different but I'm guessing you guys think Eglinton could still be more urban?
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There are lots of apartments, some new condos, but other areas near by are mainly houses. Many areas with houses are pretty walkable, they have restaurants day to day stores/schools etc within walking distance.

Many drive, but walking and transit modal share is probably much higher than most suburban areas. I think it's similar in character to Bloor-West/High Park.

I would assume those going downtown are more likely to take transit or bike, and those going elsewhere in the GTA are more likely to drive. Many day to day trips are walking.

It will intensify due to condo growth & the new transit line.
 
ehlow said:
There are lots of apartments, some new condos, but other areas near by are mainly houses. Many areas with houses are pretty walkable, they have restaurants day to day stores/schools etc within walking distance.

Many drive, but walking and transit modal share is probably much higher than most suburban areas. I think it's similar in character to Bloor-West/High Park.

I would assume those going downtown are more likely to take transit or bike, and those going elsewhere in the GTA are more likely to drive. Many day to day trips are walking.

It will intensify due to condo growth & the new transit line.
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Thanks for the info. My next question is why is ridership projections for the the crosstown so low? Even with the line ending at Mt Dennis(which you know I don't agree with :) ) and Kennedy I would have though the line would have higher ridership then Bloor.
 
Riverdale Rink Rat said:
Spider, when was the last time you walked around Y&E? It's PACKED during rush hour as everyone tries to get on the subway and it's very busy all weekend. Lots of pedestrians as lots of condos/apartment blocks in all directions. If you are on a bike, what with the buses entering the terminal, Yonge and Eglinton currently taking your life in your hands. Much better to use Duplex N/S and Chaplin/Davisville E/W. You'll see more bikes take Eglinton when you have a 50/50 chance of not dying crossing the intersection.
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I worked for 5 years at Y & E around 1980 and took the subway, too long ago to use as evidence here but I am not totally unfamiliar with the area. My eyesight is as good when I am on foot as it is when behind a windshield, as is yours I am sure.
I googled Chaplin and Davisville expecting to see cyclists afraid to use Eglinton, care to guess how many cyclists showed up?
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
Thanks for the info. My next question is why is ridership projections for the the crosstown so low? Even with the line ending at Mt Dennis(which you know I don't agree with :) ) and Kennedy I would have though the line would have higher ridership then Bloor.
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Truth be told, I think we will surpass ridership expectations for the line.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
Thanks for the info. My next question is why is ridership projections for the the crosstown so low? Even with the line ending at Mt Dennis(which you know I don't agree with :) ) and Kennedy I would have though the line would have higher ridership then Bloor.
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Well, I was describing Yonge & Eg and the area within walking distance, if we're talking about the whole street there's much more variability.

As to why Bloor will have higher ridership, this is pure speculation on my part, but I'll take a stab at it:
Bloor is 6km longer.
Anyone going downtown from the east or west (Scar or Etobi) will use Bloor.
Bloor is connected to streetcars & buses which go downtown
Bloor has major institutions like U of T, to state the obvious a huge school.
Downtown in general has more offices & destinations, financial district, universities, hospitals, and Bloor is much closer.
There are way more jobs along & near Bloor than Eglinton.

Look a the difference between Yonge-Eg and Yonge-Bloor. I love Yonge-Eg but Yonge-Bloor is clearly a way bigger & more important intersection.
 
WislaHD said:
Truth be told, I think we will surpass ridership expectations for the line.
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Me too, and then they'll be like, we have to complete the line the Eglinton West Bus is overloaded all the time.

ehlow said:
Well, I was describing Yonge & Eg and the area within walking distance, if we're talking about the whole street there's much more variability.

As to why Bloor will have higher ridership, this is pure speculation on my part, but I'll take a stab at it:
Bloor is 6km longer.
Anyone going downtown from the east or west (Scar or Etobi) will use Bloor.
Bloor is connected to streetcars & buses which go downtown
Bloor has major institutions like U of T, to state the obvious a huge school.
Downtown in general has more offices & destinations, financial district, universities, hospitals, and Bloor is much closer.
There are way more jobs along & near Bloor than Eglinton.

Look a the difference between Yonge-Eg and Yonge-Bloor. I love Yonge-Eg but Yonge-Bloor is clearly a way bigger & more important intersection.
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Your comments will apply because I thought YongeEg would be as busy as YongeBloor after the crosstown but the official numbers show it won't it come to StGeorge levels. I think YongeEg, being the middle of the city is more important imo, YongeBloor is part of downtown to me. But YB does have more jobs. Now, I don't think Eglinton West will add significant ridership.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
Thanks for the info. My next question is why is ridership projections for the the crosstown so low? Even with the line ending at Mt Dennis(which you know I don't agree with :) ) and Kennedy I would have though the line would have higher ridership then Bloor.
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Ridership projections are frequently deliberately inaccurate. Miller obviously deliberately manipulated these projections to make them lower than they should be to make light rail look good. In reality I would have thought that Eglinton would have about the same ridership as Bloor-Danforth. Eglinton has about the same amount of office space as Bloor-Danforth (if you count the area around Pearson in Mississauga where most of it is located), the population density along much of it is fairly similar (except the low density east part of Eglinton), and it is close to the extremely busy Highway 401. Of course Bloor-Danforth carries way more people than LRT can possibly handle (even though it doesn't have many tall buildings along most of it, and there isn't all that much office space near Bloor-Yonge compared to the southern part of downtown). There were proposals in the old days to put underground streetcars along Yonge, Bloor and Queen, all of which would be extremely above capacity if they were built. I think that putting light rail on Eglinton will turn out to be a huge mistake.
 
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