TOperson
Active Member
After last night's record-setting storm, can we finally admit that the climate is changing? Are we going to discuss how Toronto can prepare for it?
Yeah, one shouldn't link this event specifically to climate change. What one should be doing is question how our city will fare if the projected extreme weather events predicted occurs. It's pretty clear the city is extremely vulnerable.
AoD
One event in a complex system like climate projection really shouldn't be used as "proof".
Climate change, and anthropogenic climate change at that, is clearly occurring. You won't find any serious dissenters within the scientific community.
However, I'm not a fan of linking specific events to it. While it is likely that the frequency of hurricanes and megastorms (and floods) in North America has increased by warming as predicted by a lot of models, specific events are never a good measure of that change.
Let's see macro-level data before we jump to conclusions about every weather phenomenon's cause. If people were rational enough they would realise the need to reconstruct our society and end our dependency on fossil fuels regardless of these storms.
I didn't say this one event is "proof", but there does have to be a final straw or tipping point or whatever, where we go from denial/ignorance/indifference to belief/interest/concern.
I didn't say this one event is "proof", but there does have to be a final straw or tipping point or whatever, where we go from denial/ignorance/indifference to belief/interest/concern.
If you add up all the specific events, you get macro-level data. The two are already linked. That's where the historical data comes from.
There is already lots of macro data available. We are past the point of just having models and predictions. We have actual records of the changes.
http://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate-change-summary-and-update/