urbandreamer
recession proof
It depends how aggressively priced it is I'd imagine. If there's a condo slowdown, I see at least a decade build out.
Toronto Pinnacle One Yonge | 351.85m | 106s | Pinnacle | Hariri Pontarini
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cc46
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Thoughts, inital reactions
Yes could be a decade for the whole project and it could be a couple of years until ground is broken on the first tower.
I'm keenly interested in this one, since the height would block my view of the eastern gap and potentially some direct sun. But compared to the existing uses and the un-used potential of this parcel, I think this project has benifits.
Not sure I understand the "direct" link to Union station...hmm it's a 6 minute walk outside for me now so say 10 minutes from the middle of this project to a Go Train platform.
Btw, the street level rendering seem to have the Yonge St / Harbour St facade set back form the sidewalk. Does anyone know if that is so? Renderings always look good, magical light sources and shadows, lots of trees, maybe Harbour street is closed? So hoping more details are posted.
Thanks
Yes could be a decade for the whole project and it could be a couple of years until ground is broken on the first tower.
I'm keenly interested in this one, since the height would block my view of the eastern gap and potentially some direct sun. But compared to the existing uses and the un-used potential of this parcel, I think this project has benifits.
Not sure I understand the "direct" link to Union station...hmm it's a 6 minute walk outside for me now so say 10 minutes from the middle of this project to a Go Train platform.
Btw, the street level rendering seem to have the Yonge St / Harbour St facade set back form the sidewalk. Does anyone know if that is so? Renderings always look good, magical light sources and shadows, lots of trees, maybe Harbour street is closed? So hoping more details are posted.
Thanks
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The direct link to Union Station will come via a new PATH extension via the 45 Bay site AFAIK.
Yes, the Yonge Street facade is set back. From the front page story: Surrounding sidewalks will help the City realize its goal of providing a wide Yonge Street Promenade connecting all the way from the Financial District to a revitalized Queens Quay (pictured below) and Lake Ontario.
Harbour Street, as was also mentioned in the front page story, will be extended to Freeland Street. It appears that changes are coming for the sweeping curves leading from Harbour to Lake Shore too.
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Yes, the Yonge Street facade is set back. From the front page story: Surrounding sidewalks will help the City realize its goal of providing a wide Yonge Street Promenade connecting all the way from the Financial District to a revitalized Queens Quay (pictured below) and Lake Ontario.
Harbour Street, as was also mentioned in the front page story, will be extended to Freeland Street. It appears that changes are coming for the sweeping curves leading from Harbour to Lake Shore too.
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innsertnamehere
Superstar
Surely they don't think that they can have harbour street just end at freeland? It does take the place of the westbound lakeshore after all.
cc46
Active Member
First try at posting a few pics
looking directly east over the Gardiner to start of LCBO on the Freeland side
LCBO to Redpath and Waterlink, and the top of 6 story Star bldg
Toronto Star, Captin John's and the edge of 16 Yonge st
Yonge and Harbour St intersection
curve at Harbour St
north east end of site at Harbour and Freeland
Hope this works,
Cheers
looking directly east over the Gardiner to start of LCBO on the Freeland side
LCBO to Redpath and Waterlink, and the top of 6 story Star bldg
Toronto Star, Captin John's and the edge of 16 Yonge st
Yonge and Harbour St intersection
curve at Harbour St
north east end of site at Harbour and Freeland
Hope this works,
Cheers
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Well, you mean to say eastbound first off.
It's understood that the LCBO lands will be redeveloped as well and that Harbour will be extended east yet again when that happens.
The renderings we have seen so far of the 1 Yonge redevelopment come to us without any maps yet, and without further elucidation for the time being. I expect that we will know a lot more soon.
In the meantime, I'm guessing that the rendering which shows the buildings on the northwest corner of the complex (rounded off with the glass arch and a large pedestrian forecourt) is an ultimate plan view. I suspect that Lake Shore will initially be maintained around the curve until such time as Harbour is extended sufficiently far east to take the current traffic back up to Lake Shore somewhere before Jarvis. Once Harbour is extended then the bypassed portion of Lake Shore can be cut back to fewer lanes, and no longer with a curve at Yonge, allowing that large pedestrian forecourt area to be constructed.
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cc46
Active Member
Thanks 42,
So Harbour St gets re-configured through the current parking lot, through the existing LCBO, misses Loblaws and reconnects to Lakeshore at Jarvis. That's a "lot of ducks to put in a row", so to speak. I guess the horse trading will begin soon, lawyer up.
If Harbour truely does cut the property, does the developer get air rights in compensation for the loss of foot print of the new Harbour St? or perhaps the curve in the existing Harbour St gets closed and given to the developer in exchange.
Btw, what is the merit in re-configuring Harbour St in the first place? Not sure I get this yet.
Thx
So Harbour St gets re-configured through the current parking lot, through the existing LCBO, misses Loblaws and reconnects to Lakeshore at Jarvis. That's a "lot of ducks to put in a row", so to speak. I guess the horse trading will begin soon, lawyer up.
If Harbour truely does cut the property, does the developer get air rights in compensation for the loss of foot print of the new Harbour St? or perhaps the curve in the existing Harbour St gets closed and given to the developer in exchange.
Btw, what is the merit in re-configuring Harbour St in the first place? Not sure I get this yet.
Thx
I think the City wants pedestrian-friendly city streets there, not high-speed ramps.
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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
re: material
It doesn't have to be brick - terracotta would work very well as a modern cladding as well.
AoD
It doesn't have to be brick - terracotta would work very well as a modern cladding as well.
AoD
cc46
Active Member
Well we still need the car right? Or do we all just walk and ride bikes.
Regardless, I agree pedestrian friendly streets are desireable, but if there are no vehicles and arteries, then a city dies.
How does St Lawrence market get it's deliveries? Go train?
Shake your head, cars trucks are necessary
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bleu
Banned
nobody says we don't need cars, but a good city doesn't allow cars to dominate the streets. King St, Yonge st etc have busy vehicular traffic too, but pedestrians still have their space to walk on safely. Can't say the same near Yonge/Harbour/Lakeshore.
cc46
Active Member
And if eastbound traffic through Yonge at Harbour is non pedestrian, but you take it away and dead end it at LCBO then where does it go? Knock down LCBO and re connect? same volume I think? Is that pedestrian?
Freeland Street is not a dead end, so if Harbour gets extended that far, you just make a left and then a right and you're back on Lake Shore. An interim measure might be to have half the traffic make a left and then a right at Yonge to continue east. Maybe the curved ramps will stay until Harbour extends through the LCBO site too. We don't know. Final decisions have not been made yet. We seem to manage with left and right turns in the rest of the city.
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fedplanner
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So... anyone want to go down to City Hall, check out the site plan, and report back?