Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[ssiguy2]

^ That;s why infrastructure in Toronto costs twice as much to build and twice as long to do it.

I do think if there is a strong movement to make the line totally grade separated the choice of technology will become a very big issue. If they are going to transfer SRT another technology {although no other city on the planet would be stupid enough to} then LRT is the most expensive technology choice they could make and would have the lowest capacity. SkyTrain has faster pick-up than LRT and the MK111 are marginally wider and subways and monorails are significantly wider with 3 meter widths. They also don't have the need for higher tunnels/stations unlike LRT which has to have higher roofs to accomodate the catenarys.

 

[Red October]

We're desperately trying to get rid of our elevated transportation corridor... Now we should build more?

 

[car4041]

After spending the long weekend in New York, for the life of me I can't figure out why Toronto doesn't build above-ground subways.

New York isn't exactly building above-ground subways anymore either, are they? Last I heard, the Second Avenue Subway was very much underground.

 

[sixrings]

New York isn't exactly building above-ground subways anymore either, are they? Last I heard, the Second Avenue Subway was very much underground.

Second avenue is downtown. I'm not advocating above ground downtown.

 

[sixrings]

We're desperately trying to get rid of our elevated transportation corridor... Now we should build more?

Because the srt technology sucks and it's proximity to people is equally as bad.

 

[nfitz]

Second avenue is downtown. I'm not advocating above ground downtown.

Has New York City built any subway above-ground since the 1950s? Other than the JFK Skytrain, that uses the SRT technology?

 

[sixrings]

Has New York City built any subway above-ground since the 1950s? Other than the JFK Skytrain, that uses the SRT technology?

But New york already has a expansive subway system built where as ours is underbuilt. Also they built theirs at a time when it was cheaper and they built the city with densities that support it. We are trying to make up for lost time with financial problems. I can't say it should be a universal application throughout the city but I don't see how the houses around the richview corridor are going to be negatively impacted by an above ground system. Similarly I can't see how big box store businesses are going to have a fundamental problem with it being above throughout the golden mile. I'm sure elevated could be built without being so imposing.

 

[rbt]

New York isn't exactly building above-ground subways anymore either, are they? Last I heard, the Second Avenue Subway was very much underground.

No, but Brooklyn is investigating building at-grade LRT as suburban/mid-rise neighbourhood feeder lines into the subway.

 

[nfitz]

But New york already has a expansive subway system built where as ours is underbuilt.

They eliminated many of their surface and elevated lines, and put them underground.

Though if you try and travel from the Bronx to Queens, or from Brooklyn to Staten Island, you'd think theirs is underbuilt as well, with still no service to LaGaurdia, no express service to JFK, and overcrowding in Manhattan.

I can't say it should be a universal application throughout the city but I don't see how the houses around the richview corridor are going to be negatively impacted by an above ground system.

Which is good - as that's what they are getting. I don't recall of their being any serious discussion of putting a subway along Richview, even in the 1980s.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

After spending the long weekend in New York, for the life of me I can't figure out why Toronto doesn't build above-ground subways.

When New York City built their above-ground subways, there was no EA's done, there was little organized NIMBY's, building standards were just being started, little or no zoning, little in the way of benefits and wages low, and labour laws were almost non-existent.

 

[BurlOak]

I can't figure out why Toronto doesn't build above-ground subways.

From my Scarborough friends, the transfer at Kennedy was a bigger deal than anything, but the SRT may have given elevated transit a bad name. I did not hear that many complaints about the appearance itself.

Somehow, fear of the EA process and public comments probably made TTC shy away from elevated transit - not even suggesting it as an option for locals to consider.

More recently, I think Ford did not know enough about transit to know the difference between elevated and underground transit. As for the other Councillors, they were more interested in politically defeating Mr. Ford than optimizing our transit system.

 

[nfitz]

As for the other Councillors, they were more interested in politically defeating Mr. Ford than optimizing our transit system.

And yet they did both!

 

[sixrings]

And yet they did both!

I dislike ford but I was completely for a connected crosstown and srt line. Now we just have another transfer which is dumb.

 

[Dan416]

You can just add another "fail" in Toronto's pocket. Fun times to be had for all.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

You can just add another "fail" in Toronto's pocket. Fun times to be had for all.

Par course for Toronto...
It's just so sad CC, Chicago with all its violence is a better city for transit...