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[Eug]

I don't see the advantage of Stintz's plan. Sheppard extension is almost pointless. Where's the SRT? I agree the Finch BRT is a reasonable idea, but I was hoping the Eglinton subway would be built now, and something like the Finch BRT would be built later.

The beauty of Ford's plan was that he paid lip service to Sheppard, but IMO really didn't expect it to go anywhere any time soon, which meant he wouldn't have had to waste time on something in this period like a single extra stop on the Sheppard stubway.

 

[Tulse]

The Sheppard extension is absurd -- it is a huge amount of money to add practically nothing to the system. It is just a transparent $1 billion sop to Ford.

 

[sixrings]

at least if sheppard went to downsview you could argue the network idea of the plan. Instead this si,ply enlarges the STUBway. Im also not happy to see finch become a busway. Does this mean we wont see LRT anywhere but Eglinton? Are we simply going to widen all the roads to add bus lanes in the suburbs? If thats true this is a disaster. BTW Eglinton still doesnt make it to the airport. I cant understand why build the Eglinton line so far and even be ok with ROW but not finishing it to the airport.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

sixrings:

A grade separated BRT means conversion to LRT when the day comes will be a relative breeze - just be glad Finch is back on the table (though Finch E BRT would hit ROW width issues I think). And you know what, I don't really care at this point about the little imperfections like not having an extension to the airport - once the line is built, piecemeal extension would be possible. Extension to Vic Park/Consumers isn't a terrible thing to do, actually - certainly more logical than using limited cash* to push Sheppard to its' conclusion as per the previous plan.

*volunteered by the private sector, of course.

AoD

 

[sixrings]

truthfully speaking I blame the liberals for this mess as much as I blame ROB FORD. First of all TC was NEVER fully funded (JANE, DONmILLs, WWLRT no funding). But on top of that McGuinty still decided to cut what was left to essentially a bunch of stubs. Far from the Network it was intended to be. This opened the door for RF to cancel the whole thing and start over. Its extremely frusterating. I see your point that if you start building something inevitably it will at some point get finished. BUT HOW LONG WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT. Its cheaper for the city to do this as a mass project instead of doing it in stages. As a result I cant see why we cant have tolls to pay for the infrastructure we need or even more property tax. In the end I wish we voted Sarah Thomson in if we were going to be all about subways. At least she had a plan to pay for it and it was more a part of her platform. Subways were never seriously part of RFs platform which is why he had no way to pay for it. What was part of his platform was cancelling TC.

 

[Eug]

Anyways, I'm now convinced that Stintz wants to run for mayor.

 

[Mulder]

The Sheppard extension is absurd -- it is a huge amount of money to add practically nothing to the system.

This is a pretty narrow minded point of view.

The Consumers Road block businesses employ over 20,000 people. That's not including the new residential that's being build or anybody to the north of Sheppard of east of Vic Park. It's probably be the best value and usage for a minor extension in the city.

I used to work in that block and commuted from High Park via all 3 subway lines and a bus, I ended up calculating that I wasted anywhere between 40 minutes to an hour a day waiting for that bus to take me from Fairview Mall to work and back a day. With a Subway extension it would be a 5 minute walk. Time is money.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Eug:

Or maybe she smelled blood in the Fraud camp and gave them a big FU for putting her in a thankless job of pushing the subway nonsense? Or that she is a pawn for the Fraud to U turn without making himself look like a fool? Who knows.

One thing though - if this is real "betrayal", there will be a price for her to pay... The Fraud brothers strike me as a petty, vindictive bunch.

AoD

 

[Tulse]

This is a pretty narrow minded point of view. [...] It's probably be the best value and usage for a minor extension in the city.

That's presuming that the one is only extending the subway -- a billion dollars would by a lot more BRT and/or LRT. This extension is a huge amount of money to serve relatively few people, compared to alternatives.

 

[Eug]

Or maybe she smelled blood in the Fraud camp and gave them a big FU for putting her in a thankless job of pushing the subway nonsense? Or that she is a pawn for the Fraud to U turn without making himself look like a fool? Who knows.

She never had to accept the job if she didn't want the position.

I respect her willingness to go it alone, but nonetheless it seems she wanted the position, and now we have a better idea why. I suspect she feels this + her TV stint on Undercover Boss will be enough to get her elected.

BTW, I'm not saying that her "betrayal" to Ford is necessarily a bad thing. I'm just saying I don't see the advantage to her plan, and prefer Ford's plan.

 

[superman]

Stintz's plan seems like a good comprimise.

However, Eglinton East at-grade needs to have wider stop spacing and be "grade-separated" in the sense that it gets signal priority, use crossing gates, maybe duck under minor intersections in order to be rapid transit (the TC plan had it going at 60% of the speed of the fully grade separated version). This would also help keep the SRT and the Eglinton line interlined as it wouldn't cause bottle necks in some sections.

Sheppard East extension seems like a good plan as that was what was planned a decade ago anyway.

Finch busway also makes sense as its ridership never met the capacity of a LRT (similar to Eglinton not meeting the capacity for a subway). Also, depending on how they build the BRT (see Ottawa or Mississauga, i.e. not stoping at red lights), it could end up faster than the LRT anyway, and the busway will be twice as long as the original LRT anyway so that's a big win.

Overall, a good plan. I hope the build Eglinton east properly so it represents more like the C-train or the Gold Line in LA and less of the other TTC LRT implementations or the original TC plan.

My idea would be to stop the Finch busway at Yonge and elevate Eglinton East and Sheppard East... it costs somewhere between at grade LRT and Subway, and they'd probably be able to get alot built.

 

[Solid Snake]

Sheppard should have gone west

 

[sixrings]

Stintz's plan seems like a good comprimise.

However, Eglinton East at-grade needs to have wider stop spacing and be "grade-separated" in the sense that it gets signal priority, use crossing gates, maybe duck under minor intersections in order to be rapid transit (the TC plan had it going at 60% of the speed of the fully grade separated version). This would also help keep the SRT and the Eglinton line interlined as it wouldn't cause bottle necks in some sections.

Sheppard East extension seems like a good plan as that was what was planned a decade ago anyway.

Finch busway also makes sense as its ridership never met the capacity of a LRT (similar to Eglinton not meeting the capacity for a subway). Also, depending on how they build the BRT (see Ottawa or Mississauga, i.e. not stoping at red lights), it could end up faster than the LRT anyway, and the busway will be twice as long as the original LRT anyway so that's a big win.

Overall, a good plan. I hope the build Eglinton east properly so it represents more like the C-train or the Gold Line in LA and less of the other TTC LRT implementations or the original TC plan.

My idea would be to stop the Finch busway at Yonge and elevate Eglinton East and Sheppard East... it costs somewhere between at grade LRT and Subway, and they'd probably be able to get alot built.

I agree that stop spacing should be only at major intersections for Eglinton especially if its to interline with SRT which seems like a good idea.

I do like that FINCH at least is a FULL line vs a STUB... Maybe I can warm to the idea of every major road north of Eglinton Having its own bus lanes. That is better then mixed traffic and does open the possibility of future LRT.

Just a question? if Sheppard Subway costs 600 million to convert to LRT how much would it cost additional to get it to victoria park?

 

[sixrings]

Sheppard should have gone west

FOr a network I agree. If VCC actually booms to what they are suggesting there may be a significant number of people from the east who might work in this future hub. Besides that Downsview park is going to see significant densification and its always good to have a second option to the yonge line.

 

[nfitz]

I used to work in that block and commuted from High Park via all 3 subway lines and a bus, I ended up calculating that I wasted anywhere between 40 minutes to an hour a day waiting for that bus to take me from Fairview Mall to work and back a day.

I used to work in that block before they built the Sheppard subway. I simple got off the Don Mills bus at Sheppard and walked, unless I saw a bus coming - coming home I almost always walked, as it was faster than crossing the road and waiting at the stop. I never spent 40 minutes a day, even when I was walking both directions.