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Homelessness on the TTC (catch all)

prove it.


I mean this is free money, rather than free housing, but it literally got homeless people into housing and jobs. And was about revenue neutral. It's not like there's a real cost. Perhaps a saving once you cut down on all the extra costs to deal with the homeless population.

Though cheaper housing here would help too. At least the federal government has been exceeding expectations by making existing houses and rents cheaper. Hopefully house and rent prices can come down another 30% or so.

Let's see the research that says that your solution (what is your solution to homelessness - other than institutionalization?) works - and doesn't cost a lot of money.

What I've seen says it didn't work. https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/1834-poor-law
 
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I just wanted to let everyone know that the moderator just deleted a bunch of my posts. None of which were offensive or violated any terms. Just wiped out. I guess they dont agree with me politically so its just ok then?
 


I mean this is free money, rather than free housing, but it literally got homeless people into housing and jobs. And was about revenue neutral. It's not like there's a real cost. Perhaps a saving once you cut down on all the extra costs to deal with the homeless population.

Though cheaper housing here would help too. At least the federal government has been exceeding expectations by making existing houses and rents cheaper. Hopefully house and rent prices can come down another 30% or so.

Let's see the research that says that your solution (what is your solution to homelessness - other than institutionalization?) works - and doesn't cost a lot of money.

What I've seen says it didn't work. https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/1834-poor-law
I dont agree. It creates an incentive to NOT work. why work when the government will provide everything you need right?
 
Everyone knows there's a huge bias on the left, and these studies are all left wing.
Left wing haven't been in power in Ontario since the early 1990s.

Dont need studies. I know human nature.
You don't trust multiple published academic studies, but prefer to use your gut without any references?

If you are not careful, someone will mistake you for the anti-vaxxers who don't think vaccine saved lives during Covid and think vaccines cause autism! Or the pro-USA Trumpers!

Tell us - what would your actual plan be. Obviously we can't incarcerate tens of thousands of homeless people.
 
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yeah, lots of things are "studied" - it doesnt make them facts, or make them correct. Everyone knows there's a huge bias on the left, and these studies are all left wing.

You know, if you keep going on unendingly, saying things that aren't true, and for which you have presented no evidence, it wouldn't surprise me if more of your posts were deleted, or maybe even all of them

The issue is not your political slant; the issue is that you're venting, repeating the same thing again and again, without a single shred of evidence to support your take.

For the record, I'm not a moderator nor did I request the deletions; but I take little issue w/them. If you want to be taken seriously, make a point properly, citing research or just accept the consensus here, which is that you're wrong, and move on to a new subject.

Moreover, I don't want to hear endless bashing of 'the left' or 'the right' or anything in between. If your argument is credible you can make it without any school-yard level critiques.
 
You know, if you keep going on unendingly, saying things that aren't true, and for which you have presented no evidence, it wouldn't surprise me if more of your posts were deleted, or maybe even all of them

The issue is not your political slant; the issue is that you're venting, repeating the same thing again and again, without a single shred of evidence to support your take.

For the record, I'm not a moderator nor did I request the deletions; but I take little issue w/them. If you want to be taken seriously, make a point properly, citing research or just accept the consensus here, which is that you're wrong, and move on to a new subject.

Moreover, I don't want to hear endless bashing of 'the left' or 'the right' or anything in between. If your argument is credible you can make it without any school-yard level critiques.
Ok.. here's some stats I found. This is a Gov of Canada report. I will cite it for your reference. (https://housing-infrastructure.cana...nte-mentale-consom-substances-eng.html#toc_7d)

It shows that almost 73% of homeless have either drug addiction issues, mental illness, or in 47% of cases both. I dont know about you, but I dont think anyone forced these people to get on drugs, that was a choice. Bad choices have consequences. As for mental health, these people should be getting treatment for it, and if they cannot manage that themselves, then they should be institutionalized. Providing housing isnt going to solve either of these issues. When you are crazy or stoned all the time, you are a danger to others or are most likely a criminal trying to get your next hit.

Figure 1. Proportion of responses, categorized by incidence of mental health and substance use issues (N=22,159)​

Figure 1. Proportion of responses, categorized by incidence of mental health and substance use issues (N=22,159)

All I am saying is focus the effort on fixing the problems for these people instead of letting them roam the TTC,. I dont know why this is so controversial?

now you want to provide them housing when these problems were the things that mostly caused them to lose housing in the first place. The number looks like 40%+
so if we turn around and put them back into free housing, what happens? they get tossed back onto the streets for the same reasons. seems insane.

Reasons for housing loss​

Survey respondents were asked about the reasons for their most recent housing loss (respondents could indicate more than one). The most frequently identified response was not having enough income (28%), followed by substance use issues (18%).

The majority of respondents selected only one reason for their most recent loss of housing. However, individuals living with mental health and/or substance use issues were more likely to indicate numerous reasons for housing loss. While only 8% of individuals with neither mental health nor substance use issues reported three or more reasons for housing loss, 18% of individuals with one or both of these health issues reported three or more reasons for housing loss. This may indicate a more nuanced and complex set of needs in order to restore and maintain housing among this population.

Reasons for housing loss are complex, with contributing factors that may be highly intersectional. It is important to note that facing a particular health condition and experiencing homelessness at the same time does not imply a causal correlation. Among respondents reporting mental health and/or substance use issues, 22% noted substance use issues as a reason for housing loss and 16% noted health issues as a reason for housing loss.
 
Enough with the gaslighting (good grief, what percentage of home owners have health or drug issues?).

HOW WOULD YOU FIX THE HOMELESS PROBLEM!
wow... you guys asked for stats, i provide them, now im gaslighting. cant win i guess.
 
wow... you guys asked for stats, i provide them, now im gaslighting. cant win i guess.
I never asked for stats. I asked for proper studies to support your view that housing support (or perhaps $ support) isn't the solution. Which you admitted you didn't have.

And I asked for how you'd fix the housing issues. Which you keep trying to dodge.
 
I never asked for stats. I asked for proper studies to support your view that housing support (or perhaps $ support) isn't the solution. Which you admitted you didn't have.

And I asked for how you'd fix the housing issues. Which you keep trying to dodge.
Im not trying to fix housing issues. im trying to fix the drug problem and mental health issues these people have. start there.
 

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