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Billy Bishop Airport Expansion?

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After unveiling the latest renderings for Ontario Place and blasting the Metro Toronto Convention Centre as “one of the worst” in the world, Premier Doug Ford appears to be turning his efforts to the city’s downtown airport.

Speaking at an event with the Toronto Region Board of Trade on Thursday evening, Ford said he’d seen polling to support expanding the Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport to include a bigger runway for larger jet engines.

“They’re incredible people,” the premier said of airport leaders. “But I got to tell you one thing, we got to extend that runway. We have to bring jets in, smaller jets, whatever, until people can hop on there.”

The island airport doesn’t fall directly under the premier’s jurisdiction and is governed by a tripartite deal between the City of Toronto, PortsToronto and the federal government. It was recently extended from 2033 to 2045.

The lease was extended at the end of 2024 by city council in a 17-8 vote following a motion from Mayor Olivia Chow. She put forward the proposal despite a staff report that advised against drawing out the agreement before more public consultation.

Ford addressed his comments to Chow on Thursday night, telling her strong public support would allow her to expand the downtown airport.

“So, mayor, we did a poll, and our poll is pretty, pretty accurate,” he said. “It is telling us that 70 per cent of the people — now this just totally flipped, especially for people living downtown and that want to get somewhere real quick.”

Chow’s office said in a statement she would “work with the Premier on waterfront revitalization.”

Billy Bishop is located on Toronto Island across the water from Bathurst Street.

It operates Air Canada and Porter Airlines flights to domestic Canadian destinations and some cities in the United States, like New York and Chicago. It competes with Toronto Pearson International Airport in Mississauga and, to an extent, the Hamilton or Kitchener airports.

Ford said he wanted to see the airport expanded because it’s a “gold mine” to have air travel so conveniently accessible in the downtown.

“It’s a gold mine, having an airport downtown. That’s what the polls are saying. That’s what the people are saying,” Ford said.

“They want another option to get this done. So, with the mayor’s support, we’re going to put out some proposals to get things moving.”

A spokesperson for the Toronto Ports Authority declined an interview request.

“At a time when the provincial and federal governments are looking to build resiliency and a future-focused economy, now is the right time to look at how this airport can be more and do more,” they said in a statement.

“We welcome the comments made by the Premier at the Toronto Region Board of Trade Annual Dinner which speak to the need to build resiliency, prepare for the future, and unlock the tremendous economic potential of the airport.”

— with files from The Canadian Press
 
Ford is clearly looking for stuff to fit with Carney's talk of building infrastructure. First the MTCC, now YTZ? GTAA is also looking at doing some major work at YYZ..

Porter's Embraers apparently need a ~1,500 metre runway to operate, which is about a 300 metre extension over the existing facility at YTZ.

I'm sure Porter would LOVE the ability to land their jets there as they are struggling with utilization on their new jets right now with the upset to US bound travel and having to operate out of Pearson..
 
Ford is clearly looking for stuff to fit with Carney's talk of building infrastructure. First the MTCC, now YTZ? GTAA is also looking at doing some major work at YYZ..

Porter's Embraers apparently need a ~1,500 metre runway to operate, which is about a 300 metre extension over the existing facility at YTZ.

I'm sure Porter would LOVE the ability to land their jets there as they are struggling with utilization on their new jets right now with the upset to US bound travel and having to operate out of Pearson..

The MZO that would allow the expansion would also roll back heights in portions of the Portlands........

Merits aside, there is some powerful money that would be very unhappy. Popcorn everyone!
 
Ford is clearly looking for stuff to fit with Carney's talk of building infrastructure. First the MTCC, now YTZ? GTAA is also looking at doing some major work at YYZ..

Porter's Embraers apparently need a ~1,500 metre runway to operate, which is about a 300 metre extension over the existing facility at YTZ.

I'm sure Porter would LOVE the ability to land their jets there as they are struggling with utilization on their new jets right now with the upset to US bound travel and having to operate out of Pearson..

Porter would most likely buy the shorter variant of their current E2's, the 175 for the island if allowed. They are compatible with maintenance and flight crews etc.
 
Ford is clearly looking for stuff to fit with Carney's talk of building infrastructure. First the MTCC, now YTZ? GTAA is also looking at doing some major work at YYZ..

Porter's Embraers apparently need a ~1,500 metre runway to operate, which is about a 300 metre extension over the existing facility at YTZ.

I'm sure Porter would LOVE the ability to land their jets there as they are struggling with utilization on their new jets right now with the upset to US bound travel and having to operate out of Pearson..
And I think a strong customer base would support the decision. The advantages over Pearson are strong for many.
 
Doug Ford doesn't have any say over what happens at Billy Bishop Airport and as far as I'm concerned, the matter was settled more than a decade ago when the incoming Trudeau government declared the Tripartite Agreement would not be reopened to allow jets there. Norm Di Pasquale will be sure to reactivate NoJetsTO if this thing comes up again.
 
Doug Ford doesn't have any say over what happens at Billy Bishop Airport and as far as I'm concerned, the matter was settled more than a decade ago when the incoming Trudeau government declared the Tripartite Agreement would not be reopened to allow jets there. Norm Di Pasquale will be sure to reactivate NoJetsTO if this thing comes up again.
The political and economic landscape shifted no?
 
Doug Ford doesn't have any say over what happens at Billy Bishop Airport and as far as I'm concerned, the matter was settled more than a decade ago when the incoming Trudeau government declared the Tripartite Agreement would not be reopened to allow jets there. Norm Di Pasquale will be sure to reactivate NoJetsTO if this thing comes up again.
The political era and mood has shifted a bit since then, I think. Has it shifted enough? We will see..
 
2003: John Tory running on a platform to expand the island airport
2026: John Tory running on a platform to expand the island airport?
Well, along with death and taxes, we can be certain of John Tory self-immolating on a bad idea, or several bad ideas, which are about the only kind he ever has.
 
After unveiling the latest renderings for Ontario Place and blasting the Metro Toronto Convention Centre as “one of the worst” in the world, Premier Doug Ford appears to be turning his efforts to the city’s downtown airport.

Speaking at an event with the Toronto Region Board of Trade on Thursday evening, Ford said he’d seen polling to support expanding the Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport to include a bigger runway for larger jet engines.

“They’re incredible people,” the premier said of airport leaders. “But I got to tell you one thing, we got to extend that runway. We have to bring jets in, smaller jets, whatever, until people can hop on there.”

The island airport doesn’t fall directly under the premier’s jurisdiction and is governed by a tripartite deal between the City of Toronto, PortsToronto and the federal government. It was recently extended from 2033 to 2045.

The lease was extended at the end of 2024 by city council in a 17-8 vote following a motion from Mayor Olivia Chow. She put forward the proposal despite a staff report that advised against drawing out the agreement before more public consultation.

Ford addressed his comments to Chow on Thursday night, telling her strong public support would allow her to expand the downtown airport.

“So, mayor, we did a poll, and our poll is pretty, pretty accurate,” he said. “It is telling us that 70 per cent of the people — now this just totally flipped, especially for people living downtown and that want to get somewhere real quick.”

Chow’s office said in a statement she would “work with the Premier on waterfront revitalization.”

Billy Bishop is located on Toronto Island across the water from Bathurst Street.

It operates Air Canada and Porter Airlines flights to domestic Canadian destinations and some cities in the United States, like New York and Chicago. It competes with Toronto Pearson International Airport in Mississauga and, to an extent, the Hamilton or Kitchener airports.

Ford said he wanted to see the airport expanded because it’s a “gold mine” to have air travel so conveniently accessible in the downtown.

“It’s a gold mine, having an airport downtown. That’s what the polls are saying. That’s what the people are saying,” Ford said.

“They want another option to get this done. So, with the mayor’s support, we’re going to put out some proposals to get things moving.”

A spokesperson for the Toronto Ports Authority declined an interview request.

“At a time when the provincial and federal governments are looking to build resiliency and a future-focused economy, now is the right time to look at how this airport can be more and do more,” they said in a statement.

“We welcome the comments made by the Premier at the Toronto Region Board of Trade Annual Dinner which speak to the need to build resiliency, prepare for the future, and unlock the tremendous economic potential of the airport.”

— with files from The Canadian Press
70 percent support sounds nice, but it's interesting who exactly participated and how the questions were formulated.
 
70 percent support sounds nice, but it's interesting who exactly participated and how the questions were formulated.
The support is probably like 10% within 1km of the airport and 80% away from it.

It's a local issue for waterfront communities where the locals are extremely passionate about their opposition - and residents who don't live right next to the airport love the idea of more convenient flight connections.
 
The turboprop planes like the Q400 are aging, and seem unlikely to be replaced by newly developed ones any time soon. They have already largely disappeared from the U.S.
... The E2s have some tricks to be able to take remarkably steep departure angles..
But as mentioned in the other thread, the smallest jet airliners like the Airbus A220-100 (Delta is presently the only North American-based operator) would require the runway to be longer, and anything else larger would require even more of an extension, apparently to about 6500 ft or more from the present 4000 ft.
It's difficult to imagine YTZ ever being expanded enough to be capable of handling a truly significant amount of jet traffic.
And I don't know if any airlines are actually asking for it. Porter was the only one back in 2015 when they still owned the terminal (they don't now), and Air Canada was against the idea.
 
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2003: John Tory running on a platform to expand the island airport
2026: John Tory running on a platform to expand the island airport?
Okay so maybe Brad Bradford instead, since Tory has just issued a typically wordy statement saying he’s out
 

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