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Finch West Line 6 LRT

thenorth said:
Metrolinx needs to release a comprehensive Etobicoke + Pearson rapid transit master plan. Something that ties together Line 6, Line 5, Line 2, Woodbine GO Station, Renforth Station and perhaps the Lakeshore West Line. We have a lot of transit infrastructure terminating in that area. We now need to tie it all together, while improving north-south travel in Etobicoke and improving access to the Pearson employment lands.

Now is a good time to start planning this, since planning for the Pearson Transit Hub and construction on the Line 5 West extension should presumably be done soon.
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Also, with the surface-running FWLRT and ECLRT presumably being the backbone of this, the entire network could be built out rather inexpensively. This might be some of the biggest bang for buck transit infrastructure in the region.
 
NY99 said:
Rapidto where feasible…

But even where it’s not, there’s a TON of good that can be done:

1) switch upgrades at intersections
2) stop rationalization
3) Better TSP*
4) strategic limitations on left turns/through movements
5) Quicker door openings and closings**
6) proper level boarding for ROW/island stops
7) permission to just friggin gun it

* what about this: a way for streetcars to extend a yellow light long enough to clear a backlog of left-turning cars in front of them, allowing them to move forward before the end of the phase? Idk I’m the furthest thing from an expert here, but I’d love to hear thoughts on this idea.
** I feel like this is an underrated issue. The doors are soooooooooooooooooo slooooowwwwww. Not only that, late-arriving passengers have an endless ability to re-open them.


Thank you Finch West for sh*tting the bed so bad we’re now taking travel times seriously!
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I would add pedestrian refuge islands (instead of the misnamed "safety islands" at ALL intersections, in ALL directions (not just light rail right-of-ways or streetcar right-of-ways). So that pedestrians can rest halfway across the intersection, instead of getting caught if they are slow walkers. Along with "beg" buttons on the islands.
 
JMSRead said:
Wow. If we're really talking about going from 55 minutes at launch to 30 with signal priority that feels like a major win. Certainly well beyond what I thought was reasonable to hope for.
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Launch was scheduled for 46 minutes - which was quickly achieved most of the time.

I don't know where this reduction to 30 is coming from, other than some cock and bull comments in this very thread. The original design was 33.
 
NY99 said:
I think the biggest game changer would the section from Humber College to Woodbine GO.

We need to seriously prioritize building this extension. Now. If nothing else, because of how cheap it is: an elevated guideway along a straight-shot path through low-density industrial, with perhaps 1 new station at Rexdale. Only complication being the approach at Woodbine GO itself.

Currently, to get from Union to Humber College, a student must take Line 1 all the way up to Finch and transfer to Line 6. Thats a very slow journey — a fact for which Line 1 shoulders much of the blame.

With the Line 6 extension, the same student could instead take the UP to the new Woodbine station and transfer to the extension. A blazing-fast 2-stop journey later, and you’re at Humber.

The time savings would genuinely be life-changing for a lot of people.
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Write into the Councillor, Mayor, MP and the Premier! I did a while back exactly on this. It's currently moving very slowly. The more pressure from the citizens the better.
 
A Finch southern extension to a new GO Woodbine station makes a lot of sense but don't hold your breath.

It will be a very long time before there are any extensions to the LRT system. Eg & Finch have left such a bad taste in Torontonian's mouths that they will be loath to see it happen all over again.. ML has zero credibility not only amongst Torontonians but also QP and if they state they could build the extension by a certain dollar amount by a certain time, absolutely no one will believe them and with good reason. ML has shown is completely incompetent when it comes to building new infrastructure and there is no reason to think that will change. Yes, the southern extension would be easier to build but that doesn't mean ML won't screw it up.

In just a few short years, LRT has gone from fashion du jour to a political pariah which also doesn't bode well for Waterfront. Many, including transit supporters, will see any new lines or extensions as adding insult to injury and just ML/TTC throwing good money after bad. They will also, very legitimately question what an LRT/streetcar can do that a BRT can't at a fraction of the price.
 
ssiguy2 said:
GO Woodbine station makes a lot of sense but don't hold your breath
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50 second mark - ford explicitly mentions finch and woodbine go station. Imo it'll be officially announced before the next provincial elections. Especially if finch tsp can salvage the speed.

Ford and private money is a love afair as old as time.
 
ownthesky said:
What do you mean, you don't like running across three 400 series highways to get to your warehouse job? 😅
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I wouldn't give it up for the world!

I should clarify that I meant building the line alone probably won’t effectively serve the Pearson employment area too well, since much of it extends well beyond the 700-metre walkable radius from the station.
 
I took the entire Line 6 from Humber College and Finch West and had a few pleasent (and one very unpleasent) surprises:

- Boarded the train at around 7:15 PM, and it took only 36 min 15 seconds to Finch West!
- We only stopped at 4 or 5 lights throughout the entire journey, each around 30 seconds to a minute. Interestingly, we stopped at Duncanwood for 30 seconds , even though it should have TSP enabled.
- We did slow down at some of the other lights but didn't come to a full stop. We sailed through the Highway 400 intersection.
- We were passing the intersections at 35km/h, otherwise the straight sections we were going at 40-50km/h, occasionally 55.

Now to the cons:
- The ride quality was brutal, even worse than what I remembered when I first rode it back in December. The vibration and noise were already quite bad at the straight sections, and it sounded way worse at the curves between Matin Grove and Kipling with the squeeks. We were doing ~20km/h there and I have no faith the vehicle could go any faster than that. Seems like there were flat spots on the wheels as well.
- There were 3 vehicles bunched up together after mine.

I can concur with what many people already said here that this line can easily attain the promised 34 minute run time with TPS fully enabled, or even less with consistent speed limits. It is unfortunate that these terrible vehicles are the one thing that we have to stick with.

For the record, it took 55 min when I first rode it on 14 December, and then 44 minutes on 17 January.
 
ey2470 said:
We were passing the intersections at 35km/h, otherwise the straight sections we were going at 40-50km/h, occasionally 55.
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I want to see the intersection limits removed. And the train should be able to move at 60 kph thru the midblock section. 40 to 50 km/h is too slow. I’m hoping these restricts will be lifted as we exit the trial period.

Thanks for the report.
 
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