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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

hawc said:
Wait. Average speed from end to end is 12 - 19 km/h? Oh boy. So someone can jog the whole line faster. That's incredibly slow.
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Overall average speed for the roughly 19 km line would be ~19 km/h, yes. The average speed in the eastern 7.7 km section would be ~12 km/h.

Western section I checked is actually closer to 10.7 km long, and average speed should be somewhere between 27 to 31 km/h roughly. ~30.5 km/h if you believe the 21 minute original target time. 27 km/h if you realize the main subways have wider stop spacing and shorter dwell times to achieve ~28 km/h. Might be lower than 27 km/h for the western section, but again, it's a rough estimate. The floor is the limit for transit authorities in this city.

19 km/h for 19 km would be getting decently close to world record speeds. Your average person isn't running that fast haha.

(actual length of line is less than 19 km, more like 18.4 km, they're rounding up like they did for Finch Weset, 10.3 km becomes 11km somehow)
 
By the way, in case it wasn't obvious, Line 5 Eglinton will likely be slower than the bus from Sunnybrook to Kennedy during early rush hour (right now):
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33 minutes for the 34 Eglinton East bus vs.
35 minutes for Line 5 Eglinton
 
urbanclient said:
You're sidestepping the point. The point is, Eglinton won't get anywhere close to the advertised average speeds, nor will it get close to what many naively imagine to be its speeds on the eastern section. Bickering about semantics or minute details doesn't take away from the overall argument.
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Then stop bickering! You keep saying the same thing over and over and over again. And so rudely as well. Of course it won't be as fast without the TSP that was part of the assumption for the operating speeds. You don't have to answer every post on the subject to make the same repetitive comments.

Sidestepping the point? This is just a discussion. You treat it like some kind of debating society where people score points. Are there issues - yes. Do you have to make several points a day just to say the same thing? No.

If they've scheduled 35 minutes for the 7 km from the hellmouth at Sunnydale to Kennedy (12 km/hr), personally I very much doubt it will still be scheduled to be that slow speed in a year or two - let alone for the day one soft-opening. Looking at the bus schedule it's 36 minutes by 5 pm
 
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This thread is reminding me of the Finch West one. I get the discussion, but, it's frustrating I think for everyone that we hear but a peep from all official sources on whats the parameters of the opening, considering this is 'supposedly' opening on Superbowl Sunday.

There's a lot of data to recognize, a lot of conjecture, but, not a ton to really go off of until the day this actually opens abd we see what kind of mess this line will truly be operationally...let alone pragmatically in how it's designed.

It's assured there'll be many many eyes and ears on this the day it opens. And obviously lots of scrutiny.
 
yurt2022 said:
"Certain sections" meaning the at-grade portion might not open to save the TTC from being flamed for the slow speed in Scarborough. Trains turning back either at Laird or Don Valley.

Meaning we will need to wait a few months for them to activate "signal priority" after they finish all their "studies" which will still be shamefully slow because signal priority is not the problem here.
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If Don Valley Station does get service and they have the will to close the Leslie intersection, then potentially it can get infinite signal priority, where left turns from eastbound and southbound can be closed off. 🤣
 
I'll go out on a limb and say that when the line opens, I'll be using it frequently, regardless of whether I'm going east on the open ROW to shop in the Golden Mile area, or west to the subway to go downtown. I don't expect there to be a big speed problem in the open section, especially since I'll only be going part of the way, and even if it is slow, the comfort level will be a big improvement over waiting 20 minutes in the cold at a bus stop, as I've had to do in living near Eglinton East for 25 years.
 
A 6264 said:
I'll go out on a limb and say that when the line opens, I'll be using it frequently, regardless of whether I'm going east on the open ROW to shop in the Golden Mile area, or west to the subway to go downtown. I don't expect there to be a big speed problem in the open section, especially since I'll only be going part of the way, and even if it is slow, the comfort level will be a big improvement over waiting 20 minutes in the cold at a bus stop, as I've had to do in living near Eglinton East for 25 years.
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Not having to think about the schedule is a great benefit and can make a big difference in trip planning and deciding whether to take transit at all. It's another reason why discussing the end to end travel time is not giving the full picture of the trip experience even if it is easy to calculate your own relative fraction of the travel time. Waiting for six minutes plus a trip of 20 minutes is going to be preferable to waiting for up to 20 minutes with a trip of 15 minutes. Maybe you get lucky and wait for one minute but probably you don't.
 
A 6264 said:
I'll go out on a limb and say that when the line opens, I'll be using it frequently, regardless of whether I'm going east on the open ROW to shop in the Golden Mile area, or west to the subway to go downtown. I don't expect there to be a big speed problem in the open section, especially since I'll only be going part of the way, and even if it is slow, the comfort level will be a big improvement over waiting 20 minutes in the cold at a bus stop, as I've had to do in living near Eglinton East for 25 years.
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toonderly said:
Not having to think about the schedule is a great benefit and can make a big difference in trip planning and deciding whether to take transit at all. It's another reason why discussing the end to end travel time is not giving the full picture of the trip experience even if it is easy to calculate your own relative fraction of the travel time. Waiting for six minutes plus a trip of 20 minutes is going to be preferable to waiting for up to 20 minutes with a trip of 15 minutes. Maybe you get lucky and wait for one minute but probably you don't.
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For me also reliability is more important than speed. Speed is good to have, but reliability is essential. That's my own view, others may disagree.
That begs a question: How reliable will Line 5 be? In particular, how well will it maintain the scheduled headways. Will TTC do any better here than with streetcars.
 
If it's ultra reliable, I'd agree I'd trade some speed for reliability for sure. But it will likely be both slow and unreliable. Much like the current streetcars I'm sure.

I wonder of all the public transit serving Toronto, which is most reliable from best to worse?

GO Train
Subway
Streetcar
LRT
Bus

???
 
hawc said:
If it's ultra reliable, I'd agree I'd trade some speed for reliability for sure. But it will likely be both slow and unreliable. Much like the current streetcars I'm sure.

I wonder of all the public transit serving Toronto, which is most reliable from best to worse?

GO Train
Subway
Streetcar
LRT
Bus

???
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What are you defining as "reliable", here?

Because what you consider reliable, may not necessarily be the same as my version of it, or anyone else's.

Dan
 
the disastrous line 6 operations have been so depressing to the point that i'm kind of checked out on caring about any future transit developments. i have no faith that the people running things will do it properly. its like they are actively trying to make transit bad.
 
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