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Roads: Ontario/GTA Highways Discussion

Most of the curves are fine to be honest, the curve down the hill right as you come into Kingston is substandard though.
For example - these two curves west of Trenton are proposed to be changed from ~750m radius curves to 2300m radius curves.


750m radius curves are considered quite tight on modern freeways - MTO prefers 1,200m these days, 950m at an absolute minimum.
 
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What I take issue with is how misconstrued induced demand is.

I don't think anyone thinks induced demand isn't real - it's how people treat it and wildly misunderstand what it actually is.

When new infrastructure is built, it makes mobility easier. This is a good thing, and is true for all forms of infrastructure, be it cycle lanes, subway lines, or new or expanded highways.

When mobility is easier, people travel more. Again - this is a good thing! People are more willing to make trips when they are easier and get to enjoy a higher quality of life by making the trips to do the things they want to do. Amazing!

What the common media perception of induced demand does is several things:

1. Inflates all those extra trips as being worthless. "If travel times will be the same, we may as well not build the infrastructure" type deal.. which completely ignores that if you double the size of a highway, even if travel times stay the same, you can still accommodate twice as many trips generating GDP, wealth, and quality of life.
2. Assumes that induced demand is unlimited in depth. This is simply not true. The examples used for induced demand in locations like Houston often said "well, traffic was fixed for a few years, then it was just as bad as before", ignoring that population growth was a major driving factor in those trip growth patterns and that without the new infrastructure that trip times would likely be even worse. Houston is one of the fastest growing metro areas on the continent - it needs new infrastructure. When new road infrastructure is built in low-growth areas, it generally does induce new additional trips but rarely sees congestion return to the same level. It's not inherent in the road itself that these cars appear apparently out of nowhere - those cars come from growth, be it GDP, population, etc.

What induced demand actually is and does is:

1. Better infrastructure attracts more users. This is true of all infrastructure, both transit and highways. A new highway will see more people travel in that corridor just like a new subway line will see more people use it than the bus it replaced. This is good! It's literally the whole reason we build infrastructure.
2. New infrastructure induces demand often by pulling trips off existing corridors - the trips are not inherently new, but when an existing highway is heavily congested people are more likely to use other routes (like local streets). Similarly when a new subway line is built, people using parallel bus routes are more likely to detour to the faster rapid transit route. This detour will continue until travel times decline to an extent that the existing routes become a better option again.. So even if a highway is built and returns to 90% of the congestion it once was, it can still have significant benefits for other areas. This also opens up new opportunities to change the infrastructure on routes that are no longer as busy..
2. New infrastructure influences land use - people are more likely to move somewhere if infrastructure is better. A new highway will encourage more growth around the interchanges just like a new subway line will encourage more growth around the stations.

The "one more lane bro" meme of all highway projects being automatically worthless is just as cringey and incorrect as those who rep highway projects regardless of benefits or impacts.

The reality is that a modern society needs roads - what we as a society should be doing is not banning new roads, particularly since many can have major actual benefits to communities by removing regional traffic off local streets and vastly improving safety.

The reality is that roads and transportation infrastructure in general is tied closely to land use and that there is a lot of nuance on how we can build cities better while not resigning them to being traffic-filled messes because "road=bad".

Many, including not-just-bikes, looks at the Netherlands as a model of how to plan our cities. What you will notice when you look at the Netherlands is that they don't shy away from highways. In fact, the Netherlands has had one of the largest highway expansion programs in europe in the last 20 years. The difference between a place like the Netherlands and Houston is not that the Netherlands doesn't do roads, it's that it balances roads with other options which it carefully designs through both land use plans and infrastructure design for those alternatives to be a competitive choice to driving. The Netherlands over the last 20 years has built out an excellent freeway network and that has allowed cars to be mostly removed from local streets and has built the infrastructure so that it enjoys something remarkable - minimal peak hour congestion even with an extensive and very high quality roads network. This is Amsterdam and Rotterdam at 5:40pm on a wednesday - very little congestion outside of a few accidents.

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How does the Netherlands do this? They build big highways, they provide alternative options, and they build infrastructure faster than the population grows. And with this new infrastructure, they have an excellent quality of life with the public being able to choose transit, cycling, walking, or driving depending on what works best for them and a GDP per capita now 25% higher than Canada.

Freeways should actually be friends of urbanists as they remove traffic from local streets - the Netherlands knows this and builds lots of freeways for cars to operate safely, quickly, efficiently, and away from pedestrians. Stroads are what we should be avoiding - lets build car roads for cars and streets for people.
Don't forget they have high fuel taxes, as well.
 
Toronto is actually investing a tonne in public transit right now so it's doing the right thing in this way, and land use is fairly compatible with this goal too (low-rise housing is a small fraction of total housing starts these days). My point is that we can build nice cities and nice roads at the same time. they aren't mutually exclusive - the key is go give people other options as they will take them even in the face of lots of road access.
Spending a lot of money on transit is not the same thing as achieving results, unfortunately.
 
Most of the curves are fine to be honest, the curve down the hill right as you come into Kingston is substandard though.
They aren't designed for 130 km/hr though. Which has been the standard for at least 40 years or so. And at some point, a half-century perhaps after design standards change, they'll be on the end of a large lawsuit - especially now they've increased the speed limit to 110 km/hr.

Yeah, that curve down to (Collins?) Creek - especially downhill, is the main one along the 401 that always has me on my toes - between Odessa and Gardiners Road. That one and the one at Curry Hill - the last interchange before you enter Quebec. Too a less extent some of the curves on the newer bypass section, where the original 401 went along the now Ivy Lea Parkway.
 
Spending a lot of money on transit is not the same thing as achieving results, unfortunately.
unfortunately, yes. We will get there eventually - even just with the current raft of projects under construction wraps up, transit will be far better off. How much money will will throw down a hole to get there though..

The sad part too is that MTO can deliver roads projects relatively affordably, even under the P3 models. The 401 widening through Mississauga cost a relatively paltry $600 million through a P3 model.. the 400 widening from King City to Newmarket cost only $121 million - Metrolinx is spending that about every 3 weeks right now on the Ontario Line!

I am curious to see the final contract values for the Bradford Bypass. The west contract should be awarded soon and can give us an idea as to how much the Bypass and 413 will end up costing.
 
MTO has initiated planning studies for widening highway 401 from Cobourg to Kingston:




This is in addition to studies previously completed for Colborne-Brighton and through Belleville, completed in 2021 and 2018.

All studies assume an "ultimate" width of 8 lanes, with an interim measure of 6 lanes. Notably they also include design changes to the highway to increase the design speed to 130km/h, including a large number of grading profile changes and re-alignments around substandard curves. These changes will make the project of implementation to be quite expensive.
I am sure it would have been part of the Norris Whitney Bridge, but I think highway 62 and 37 through Belleville (southwards) should be realigned to maybe both follow Wallbridge Loyalist Road and highway 2.
Are both 62 and 37 still MTO highways, Connecting Links or downloaded?
 
MTO has initiated planning studies for widening highway 401 from Cobourg to Kingston:




This is in addition to studies previously completed for Colborne-Brighton and through Belleville, completed in 2021 and 2018.

All studies assume an "ultimate" width of 8 lanes, with an interim measure of 6 lanes. Notably they also include design changes to the highway to increase the design speed to 130km/h, including a large number of grading profile changes and re-alignments around substandard curves. These changes will make the project of implementation to be quite expensive.
One thing I am not noticing in these reports is any mention of installing any kind of high-mass or general lighting through Cobourg, Trenton, Belleville, Napanee, and Kingston. I personally prefer seeing lighting, though a large community where a 400 series highway passes through. Many of the more recent highway widenings/upgrades throughout major parts of cities have included adding some kind of lighting system throughout the stretch of the highway that goes through built-up areas of a city. Windsor, Cambridge/Kitchener, Milton, and Mississauga stretch of the 401 are more recent examples. The 401 through London is currently being redone with high mass lighting planned, as well as the 400 through Barrie. Chunks of the 404 through Markham and Richmond Hill have had lighting added, as well as the 400 through Vaughan and beyond. The 427 through Ottawa is also having its lighting updated. In the future I would love to see lighting extended through the 402 in Sarnia, around the 402/40 hwy interchange, a small section of the 402 in Strathroy, the 401/40 hwy interchange in Chatham thoughout the 403 section of Brantford, and large sections west of the lincocn alexander Parkway in hamilton, almost the entire stretch of the QEW in Mississauga, the 401 in Ingersoll, more/updated highmass lighting added to the 401 in woodstock. The 401 in port hope, Brockville, and cornwall
 
One thing I am not noticing in these reports is any mention of installing any kind of high-mass or general lighting through Cobourg, Trenton, Belleville, Napanee, and Kingston. I personally prefer seeing lighting, though a large community where a 400 series highway passes through. Many of the more recent highway widenings/upgrades throughout major parts of cities have included adding some kind of lighting system throughout the stretch of the highway that goes through built-up areas of a city. Windsor, Cambridge/Kitchener, Milton, and Mississauga stretch of the 401 are more recent examples. The 401 through London is currently being redone with high mass lighting planned, as well as the 400 through Barrie. Chunks of the 404 through Markham and Richmond Hill have had lighting added, as well as the 400 through Vaughan and beyond. The 427 through Ottawa is also having its lighting updated. In the future I would love to see lighting extended through the 402 in Sarnia, around the 402/40 hwy interchange, a small section of the 402 in Strathroy, the 401/40 hwy interchange in Chatham thoughout the 403 section of Brantford, and large sections west of the lincocn alexander Parkway in hamilton, almost the entire stretch of the QEW in Mississauga, the 401 in Ingersoll, more/updated highmass lighting added to the 401 in woodstock. The 401 in port hope, Brockville, and cornwall
I probably should have noted that with future design updates, they will likely add more details, which could include a lighting scheme for Cobourg, Trenton, Belleville, Napanee, and Kingston
 
The 401 widening through Mississauga was a gong show that took the better part of a decade.
The P3 part was the part west of Hurontario and it happened in 4 construction seasons, 2020-2023.

There were earlier contracts east of Hurontario issued under traditional procurement earlier, but again, separate contracts and each of those opened within a reasonable time frame.
 
I could be wrong but it was always my understanding that that type of freeway lighting is more for camera monitoring than driver comfort. I imagine it's not cheap.
I sort of take back what I said when I realize that the North Bay 'bypass' and related interchanges have high-level lighting and there's not a camera on it. I imagine there is some kind of criteria regarding traffic volumes, conflicts/merging traffic, etc.
 
I just always assumed it had something to do with traffic volumes or density of the community in which the highway runs through, or perhaps even both.
 

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