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Ah so empties returns are now only for people who have a car (since, for example, if the beer store is only going to have 8-10 locations in Toronto, none of those will be downtown). How very on-brand for a government stuck in (at best) the 1980s.Here it is...........the deal to avert grocers giving up booze sales en masse.
They will now have the option of paying 'The Beer Store' to accept their empties in exchange for 17c per container.
Deal reached to allow grocers to avoid accepting beer and wine empties
TORONTO — Ontario grocers and The Beer Store have reached an agreement-in-principle on alcohol recycling that will allow the retailers to avoid collecting empties at their stores and gives a renewed role to the brewers, The Canadian Press has learned. The deal averts a potential death knell for...
This deal serves two purposes, first the one above, second, this will slow down the rate of Beer store closures, particularly outside Toronto. This is because it will require, in most cases, the Beer Store to have a take-back location within 10km of the grocery store that sells.
In Toronto, that could be worked out to require only 8 to 10 surviving locations, though they would require dramatically enhanced throughput.
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As a side note, one very major Beer Store location has been losing money for months, as it does 2x more tacebacks than sales.
This would restore that location to the black ink side of the ledger.
My sense here is that most/all Beer Store locations remain goners as they are, at least in big cities.
But aside from buying time; I expect this will result in a transition where The Beer Store opens takeback only locations that serve no other purpose and are funded by this arrangement.
Return locations don’t have to be limited to Beer Store outlets. It’s entirely feasible to establish them at other sites, such as gas stations to fill a gap if needed (as is already available in many places across the province, particularily where they've already closed stores).
Agreed, but this is *Ontario* and we can't do that. The same model that works globally, and in other provinces cannot work here
Did you misread?
I do not misread. Other places have returns at *every* supermarket. This isn't rocket science. And I'm talking about major cities.
While I hope they can establish them at other sites, it's worth noting there are also very few gas stations in downtown Toronto either, nor are gas stations often located at places that are primarily accessible by walking, which was my main point. I don't see gas stations suddenly making an effort to accommodate those without cars just to accept empties. As a person without a car, where are the options for me?
People are just going to eat the cost and recycle or throw them in the garbage
Got it. But at least they could open other locations, as I suggested. It should be possible to establish additional drop‑off sites dedicated solely to returns.
The gas station is just an example, not a requirement. There are plenty of places across the province that accept returns which aren’t gas stations. In my Haliburton example above, there are convenience stores, shopping centres, and other sites.
