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Alto - High Speed Rail (Toronto-Quebec City)

Are there expected to be more spin-off benefits for QC vs the rest of the country? I generally think of train building being something that they might benefit more from than would Ontario - but that may be incorrect. I have heard Ford's people saying this is not a priority for them.

If the steel is made in Canada, that is a spinoff benefit. Same goes for the ties and even the trains.
Ideally, for the trains, they build a plant that can be incorporated into a Maintenance Facility for the line. Then even the trains could be built in Canada.

I suspect we'd be hearing more about it in Ontario if Alto extended toward Waterloo and London. The current scope of the project is arguably proportionally-more impactful to Québec. It traverses the province's developed heartland, rather than sparsely populated Shield as in Ontario.

That speaks loudly to the argument that anything east or north of the GTA does not matter to ON. Consider that ALTO will touch the 2 largest cities in the province.
 
That speaks loudly to the argument that anything east or north of the GTA does not matter to ON. Consider that ALTO will touch the 2 largest cities in the province.
Not necessarily... just that ~75% of the trackage will be in largely out-of-sight forest.

It is also relevant that Alto would connect a central part of Québec that currently lacks rail service, rather than duplicating existing Toronto-Ottawa coverage. The only city to get new service in Ontario is Peterborough. Also, also; as much as Alto will connect Ontario's two-largest cities, it will connect Québec's 1,2, 3 and 5th (including Gatineau within Ottawa).
 
It is also relevant that Alto would connect a central part of Québec that currently lacks rail service, rather than duplicating existing Toronto-Ottawa coverage. The only city to get new service in Ontario is Peterborough.
Surely similar, as the only city in Quebec to get new service is Trois Rivieres, only a bit bigger than Peterborough. Even Trois-Rivieres is only a 30-km drive to the current VIA track - though there's not enough demand for a stop there.

I'd think the difference in coverage is more to do with being a small fish in a big pond versus a big fish in a small pond. There's a fraction of the development ongoing in greater Montreal than greater Toronto - especially in the transportation area.
 
I remain convinced that much of the federal cash flow is a self serving bit of politics and not an economics-driven or redistribution-agenda system delivering economic utility.
Ottawa is not taxing Fredericton or Kamloops to fund infrastructure in Ontario. Ontario is paying for that.... but having Ottawa do the taxation and then creating a political theatre where Premiers demand their "fair share" on behalf of their constituents, and federal politicians gain credit for distributing largesse to the masses, is just a game.
I would bet that a careful study would show that Ottawa does not redistribute wealth anywhere near as much as claimed - the money simply finds its way back to its place of origin.
My wisdom is that tax dollars are spent most effectively when the people who spend the money are the ones who face the taxpayer and justify the taxation. It's silly for a Premier (Ford is the classic example) to be claiming to "cut taxes" while demanding Ottawa fund things to a greater extent.
Like I say, the money Ford extracts from Ottawa is largely money he could raise himself, and if he did it would come out of the same sources, but with more transparency.

- Paul

I get the political games. I don't think Kamloops is subsidizing the TTC. I get that MPs need ribbon cuttings. But this then means that the feds have substantially ignored national infrastructure to the point that we are now making a deal out of a bunch projects that should have been built a generation ago.

It also makes municipalities and provinces stupid and lazy. Blaming the feds is easy. Containing sprawl and balancing transport investment to consistently develop transit and not over invest in roads, is hard.
 
The new High-Speed Rail Network Act was published in draft today. Among other things, it appears to deem the project approved and non-reviewable under the Canada Transportation Act. But sorry, curious friends, some project information is proposed to be made non-disclosable if requested under the Access to Information Act:
 
The new High-Speed Rail Network Act was published in draft today. Among other things, it appears to deem the project approved and non-reviewable under the Canada Transportation Act. But sorry, curious friends, some project information is proposed to be made non-disclosable if requested under the Access to Information Act:
Most of this relates to better enabling expropriations and as you mentioned, approving the project from the eyes of Transportation Canada. I wonder if this exempts the project from having to comply with things like Train safety standards so that they can throw euro-spec trains on the line?
 
Most of this relates to better enabling expropriations and as you mentioned, approving the project from the eyes of Transportation Canada. I wonder if this exempts the project from having to comply with things like Train safety standards so that they can throw euro-spec trains on the line?

I would not say it goes that far. That discussion is for another day. Clearly the legislation is limited to streamlining what could be a very contentious and tortuous EA process, especially if parties tried to challenge the EA in court. So far the confidentiality provisions are not excessive - one would not expect that the real estate transactions to acquire a right of way would be divulged totally.

The indigenous knowledge provisions are a new concept to me, so I won't comment, but I am certainly reading up - see here.

The legislative thrust seems prudent, especially if one applies lessons from Brightline and California HSR. In California, the land issues and litigation has cost that project a great deal, before even laying one mile of track.

But if anyone is saying that this project won't happen - I would say it's gaining a lot of ground in Ottawa, at least so long as this government hangs in there.

- Paul
 
In reference to the act above........I found this to be of interest:

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