Toronto Bloor–Danforth Line 2 Scarborough Subway Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

[JSF-1]

This is speculation on my part but could the Warden Siding Project be something like this? The lines aren't perfect but it seems you can cram a couple of tracks into the space south of Warden Station were the current siding is. This would yard would be purely for overnight storage and have no maintenance capacity like Vincent Yard. I got 6 tracks in there for a capacity of 8 trains although I am no professional. Not sure where the yard office would go though...

 

[TOtramz]

If the Sheppard East storage was actually to proceed, I would imagine the storage tracks would have to be underground stretch towards middlefield.
Probably why MX balked at the cost and decided not to proceed with that

 

[dowlingm]

This is speculation on my part but could the Warden Siding Project be something like this? The lines aren't perfect but it seems you can cram a couple of tracks into the space south of Warden Station were the current siding is. This would yard would be purely for overnight storage and have no maintenance capacity like Vincent Yard. I got 6 tracks in there for a capacity of 8 trains although I am no professional. Not sure where the yard office would go though...

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I doubt we will see anything that expansive if for no other reason than the outer tracks would require removal of a hydro tower.

A long siding looks possible, accessed through the existing work train siding to the south (with some extension), and then running north along the station and over the former CN delivery track bridge. Whether a switch could also be cut in on the north side I don’t know. It’s possible a second siding track could be done without exceeding the TTC property line but I have doubts.

 

[KhalilHeron]

If the Sheppard East storage was actually to proceed, I would imagine the storage tracks would have to be underground stretch towards middlefield.
Probably why MX balked at the cost and decided not to proceed with that

Yea, the extra tunnelling cost would be several 100s of millions for not all that many trains

This is speculation on my part but could the Warden Siding Project be something like this? The lines aren't perfect but it seems you can cram a couple of tracks into the space south of Warden Station were the current siding is. This would yard would be purely for overnight storage and have no maintenance capacity like Vincent Yard. I got 6 tracks in there for a capacity of 8 trains although I am no professional. Not sure where the yard office would go though...

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I think 6 trains is more likely

 

[Allandale25]

Metrolinx struggled to tunnel under Hwy. 401, forcing lane closure and repairs | Globalnews.ca

Since early 2023, a tunnel boring machine has been slowly making its way south from Sheppard Avenue and McCowan Road, digging out a route for the Scarborough Subway Extension.

globalnews.ca

 

[crs1026]

Metrolinx struggled to tunnel under Hwy. 401, forcing lane closure and repairs | Globalnews.ca

Since early 2023, a tunnel boring machine has been slowly making its way south from Sheppard Avenue and McCowan Road, digging out a route for the Scarborough Subway Extension.

globalnews.ca

Glad to see this reaching media awareness. Hope other outlets climb on the bandwagon.

One has to ask whether this information should have reached the public record at ML Board meetings. What purpose does its Board serve and what duty does it have to the public ?

- Paul

 

[tpark]

Glad to see this reaching media awareness. Hope other outlets climb on the bandwagon.

One has to ask whether this information should have reached the public record at ML Board meetings. What purpose does its Board serve and what duty does it have to the public ?

- Paul

The Metrolinx board's only duty is to the provincial government, not the public. https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/06g16#BK1

Duties of Corporation re other advice and services

Advice

8.2 (1) The Corporation shall provide the Government with advice on such matters related to transportation as the Minister directs the Corporation to advise on. 2018, c. 17, Sched. 25, s. 5.

Services

(2) The Corporation shall provide the Government with services in respect of such matters related to transportation as the Minister directs. 2018, c. 17, Sched. 25, s. 5.

 

[TOtramz]

I wonder if anybody has any insights on this line of the article:

Metrolinx recorded “concern over elevated cutterhead torque and thrust forces experienced during the last 3-4 advances” of the machine. The contractor concluded “a series of repairs and improvements are required to the TBM and that such repairs must be performed in atmospheric conditions.”

 

[crs1026]

The Metrolinx board's only duty is to the provincial government, not the public. https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/06g16#BK1

Duties of Corporation re other advice and services

Advice

8.2 (1) The Corporation shall provide the Government with advice on such matters related to transportation as the Minister directs the Corporation to advise on. 2018, c. 17, Sched. 25, s. 5.

Services

(2) The Corporation shall provide the Government with services in respect of such matters related to transportation as the Minister directs. 2018, c. 17, Sched. 25, s. 5.

Thanks for digging out the exact wording.

Yeah, I kinda knew that - my question was mostly rhetorical and a bit sarcastic.

The axe I'm grinding is how little the taxpayer is told about the spend of the considerable amount of money they are providing. And the charades that are played out in PR space.

I remain amazed that there is no premise in common law that would let someone take a run at ML's secrecy in the courts. Certainly the ML legislation protects them big time. The only option available to the taxpayer is to cast a ballot, I guess.

- Paul

 

[urbanclient]

Considering it took nearly 2.5 years to dig 1.5/6.9km of tunnel. Conservatively we're looking at a 2028 tunnel completion date (earliest) versus the original late 2025 tunnel completion date. The project is 3 years behind schedule already. 2033-2035 is a more accurate opening date, not 2030.

Scarborough Subway Extension (Line 2 East Extension)

The Scarborough Subway Extension (SSE) extends Line 2 (Bloor-Danforth) by 7.8 kilometres from Kennedy Station to a new terminus at Sheppard Avenue East and McCowan Road. For more information about the project, or to find information about past and future public engagement, please visit...

www.toronto.ca

 

[innsertnamehere]

Considering it took nearly 2.5 years to dig 1.5/6.9km of tunnel. Conservatively we're looking at a 2028 tunnel completion date (earliest) versus the original late 2025 tunnel completion date. The project is 3 years behind schedule already. 2033-2035 is a more accurate opening date, not 2030.

Scarborough Subway Extension (Line 2 East Extension)

The Scarborough Subway Extension (SSE) extends Line 2 (Bloor-Danforth) by 7.8 kilometres from Kennedy Station to a new terminus at Sheppard Avenue East and McCowan Road. For more information about the project, or to find information about past and future public engagement, please visit...

www.toronto.ca

The current pace was impacted by months of no movement. The rest of the tunnel should move relatively quickly - probably early 2027 would be my guess. The project is definitely behind but not that wildly so, at least so far.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Considering it took nearly 2.5 years to dig 1.5/6.9km of tunnel. Conservatively we're looking at a 2028 tunnel completion date (earliest) versus the original late 2025 tunnel completion date. The project is 3 years behind schedule already. 2033-2035 is a more accurate opening date, not 2030.

Scarborough Subway Extension (Line 2 East Extension)

The Scarborough Subway Extension (SSE) extends Line 2 (Bloor-Danforth) by 7.8 kilometres from Kennedy Station to a new terminus at Sheppard Avenue East and McCowan Road. For more information about the project, or to find information about past and future public engagement, please visit...

www.toronto.ca

See https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/highway-401-transit-and-auto-tunnel.40576/post-2309221 (Expect the same with the 401 tunnel project.)

 

[urbanclient]

The current pace was impacted by months of no movement. The rest of the tunnel should move relatively quickly - probably early 2027 would be my guess. The project is definitely behind but not that wildly so, at least so far.

If you've kept up with the discussions on this thread, you'll know that recent pace has not been favourable either... The fastest its ever dug (which was recently) was at a pace of 1.6km per year, for half a year. There are 4.6km left roughly. That implies 2.875 years left. At best, 10 metres a day for every work day, 240 workdays a year, that's still nearly two years left. That is assuming nothing goes wrong. Only if they manage 15 metres a day for every work day, would they manage early 2027.

 

[urbancog]

"Metrolinx recorded “concern over elevated cutterhead torque and thrust forces experienced during the last 3-4 advances” of the machine. The contractor concluded “a series of repairs and improvements are required to the TBM and that such repairs must be performed in atmospheric conditions.”

I wonder if anybody has any insights on this line of the article:

Others may have more accurate info but I'd interpret this as follows.

The TBM (tunnel boring machine) has a rotating face with cutter heads that are forced against the rock / sediment causing it to break and fall into the soffit for clearance. Torque is the force needed to keep the head rotating, thrust is the force pushing against the previously installed tunnel rings to keep the cutter heads pressing on the tunnel face.

While tunneling, the space between the TBM's rotating face and the ground is pressurized with compressed air to prevent lose material around the tunnel from collapsing into the tunnel and this had to be de-pressurized so Strabag could access the front of the cutting face to do the maintenance work from the shaft they excavated.

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

Considering it took nearly 2.5 years to dig 1.5/6.9km of tunnel. Conservatively we're looking at a 2028 tunnel completion date (earliest) versus the original late 2025 tunnel completion date. The project is 3 years behind schedule already. 2033-2035 is a more accurate opening date, not 2030.

Scarborough Subway Extension (Line 2 East Extension)

The Scarborough Subway Extension (SSE) extends Line 2 (Bloor-Danforth) by 7.8 kilometres from Kennedy Station to a new terminus at Sheppard Avenue East and McCowan Road. For more information about the project, or to find information about past and future public engagement, please visit...

www.toronto.ca

They are moving forward with station construction anyways so I am guessing that the project design has been somewhat updated because of the setback under the 401.

I believe the original project staging was that most tunneling would be complete before stations even broke ground (line 5 style). So there will be delay of course but I don’t think as long as you anticipate.