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nfitz said:
[…] If we are really lucky, demand IS higher, and that leaves the short-turn option while the next car order, that they are already planning, is received.
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The "short-turn option" keeps coming up in these discussions, as a solution to one problem or another. It would likely be a regular automated short turn protocol, where for example every second or every third train runs a shorter loop.

As this creates new, perhaps never tried, sequences of events for the control, a question: Have the short-turn protocols been tested as part of the ongoing revenue service demo / bedding?
 
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lead82 said:
Never. LA county is bigger population than all
of Ontario. Toronto will
Never get there as we don’t have the ECONOMY of LA to support such massive growth.
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Toronto is only 800,000 people behind L.A.-proper. We could surpass it as North America's third larget city in our lifetimes. It's unlikely we'd ever pass L.A.'s metro though.
 
JasonParis said:
Toronto is only 800,000 people behind L.A.-proper. We could surpass it as North America's third larget city in our lifetimes. It's unlikely we'd ever pass L.A.'s metro though.
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We were only 600k behind LA proper as of last year at just under 3.3 million vs. 3.9 million (sources below). The gap may have been closer to 400k when accounting for undercounted NPRs. The more pertinent issue is density. Toronto proper is 630 sqkm, LA proper is 1,290 sqkm.

Therefore, Toronto has the more densely-populated downtown or core city proper by US standards. However, the larger GTHA is much less populated than the smaller Los Angeles--Long Beach--Anaheim census urban area. None of the area sizes line up neatly, so apples to apples comparison is difficult. Whether or not you think Toronto is the bigger "city" depends on your definition of city.

Agree with the second point though. Southern California has 24-25 million people vs. Ontario 16-17 million and the whole state has a much larger everything than us.

Population estimates, July 1, by census division, 2021 boundaries

Annual population estimates as of July 1st, by census division, single year of age, five-year age group and gender, based on the Standard Geographical Classification (SGC) 2021.
www150.statcan.gc.ca www150.statcan.gc.ca
 
ThenWhat said:
As this creates new, perhaps never tried, sequences of events for the control, a question: Have the short-turn protocols been tested as part of the ongoing revenue service demo / bedding?
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While they haven't done any testing for the purposes of the RSD as it is not going to be part of the revenue service plan on day 1, they have operated and tested into the spare tracks at Laird many times and under many scenarios. The maneuver is sound.

EllaW said:
I had to drive back and forth the extent of the above ground track today, and whatever the trains were doing (I saw maybe 6), it was not RSD.
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They are still not able to build up to the amount of service that they need to in order to resume the RSD.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
While they haven't done any testing for the purposes of the RSD as it is not going to be part of the revenue service plan on day 1, they have operated and tested into the spare tracks at Laird many times and under many scenarios. The maneuver is sound.


They are still not able to build up to the amount of service that they need to in order to resume the RSD.

Dan
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Wait, RSD hasn't been resumed yet? Based on the posts here (page 1894), I thought it resumed back on Saturday, October 25. I've been seeing a bunch of trains run back and forth today as well - none of this is RSD? :(

If RSD is still paused, then I assume an opening by the Dec 21 board period is hopeless then
 
pleaseLRT said:
Wait, RSD hasn't been resumed yet? Based on the posts here (page 1894), I thought it resumed back on Saturday, October 25. I've been seeing a bunch of trains run back and forth today as well - none of this is RSD? :(

If RSD is still paused, then I assume an opening by the Dec 21 board period is hopeless then
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RSD is a state of mind, apparently.
 
smallspy said:
They are still not able to build up to the amount of service that they need to in order to resume the RSD.

Dan
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Here we go again...

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like honestly.... they already determined an operator was daydreaming behind the wheel in the yard. this does not affect the main line. why are they not resuming RSD and if they still need to to verification testing why are they not running 24/7 to catch back up given the political and schedule impacts?
total fail again on all fronts.
 
cplchanb said:
like honestly.... they already determined an operator was daydreaming behind the wheel in the yard. this does not affect the main line. why are they not resuming RSD and if they still need to to verification testing why are they not running 24/7 to catch back up given the political and schedule impacts?
total fail again on all fronts.
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maybe they need to make sure the operators are not daydreaming behind the wheel on the main line...
 
I find it very hard to believe that the ministry of transport would so publicly state that the RSD was back on all those days ago and have it be a total lie.
Also around the same time they announced RSD was back many posters on this forum seemed to corroborate with sightings of heavy train testing :confused:
 
TOtramz said:
I find it very hard to believe that the ministry of transport would so publicly state that the RSD was back on all those days ago and have it be a total lie.
Also around the same time they announced RSD was back many posters on this forum seemed to corroborate with sightings of heavy train testing :confused:
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For what it's worth I drove by at night this last weekend for over 10 minutes and saw exactly 0 trains on the surface section despite next train screens reading 6 and 16 minutes.
 
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