Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Hope the passage from Atlantic Avenue to the Exhibition gates are outside the farepaid zone.
Toronto King-Liberty GO Station | 21.39m | 3s | Metrolinx | WSP
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kotsy
Senior Member
There is no way they wouldn't have at least one all access path from Atlantic to the Ex. So many people that aren't GO riders use that entrance to Ex Place for the CNE and any other event at Ex or Bud Stage. The other two closest entry points are way too much of a detour when walking. Using that tunnel is no different than using the teamways at Union Station either.
goodcitywhenfinished
Active Member
Isnt this just utilities work / site prep? Why would they be going fully ahead with no funds to actually complete the station?
Amare
Senior Member
That's correct, they're not going ahead with the actual building of the station at the moment. So when it will actually be built, who knows.
And with the way Metrolinx finds ways to drag on construction of even the most simplest of stations (ie: Confederation GO), dont expect a speedy construction either.
kotsy
Senior Member
I believe the work you saw was related to the Kitchener line 2nd track work that @Isfahaninejad posted earlier in this thread
abovegrade
Active Member
GenerationLee
Senior Member
Making Ontario a better place, one MZO at a time...
God I love this province.
SL
God I love this province.
SL
UrbanAffair
Senior Member
Why would anyone move there, if they can't get out once they get in? Make these zoning orders make sense! Seems like there are plenty of places still to build high-density housing, that are suffering less that the residents in LV.
Amare
Senior Member
The province and all political stripes (Liberals and Conservatives) are 80% of the reason we have a significant number of failed neighbourhoods in this city when it comes to "planning".
Honestly i'm fed up with buffoons who think they know what they're doing (when they in reality are complete idiots), and roll out the most idiotic and brainless policies one could ever imagine.
As for Liberty Village, I dont know how it can get even worse than it is now but apparently we're well on our way to finding out. This is honestly, the worst planned neighbourhood in this city and I dont comprehend how we have clowns who are insistent on making the problems magnitudes worse.
The whole lobbyist/political donor system needs to be overhauled in this province, the whole thing is a wash and is all about lining people's pockets at the expense of actually making a livable system. In other words, pure corruption.
ProjectEnd
Superstar
Explain what you believe is wrong in the "planning" of Liberty Village and I'll tell you why it is that way today.
stanko
Active Member
Let's start with the dearth of parks
ProjectEnd
Superstar
A couple of reasons: the first is that in the initial visioning from the area from 2001, Liberty Village was intended to be a lot less dense. It was also intended to be primarily office, not residential:
In this version, the small central park would have been totally acceptable for folks having lunch or a smoke (it was the early 2000s, after all!). Furthermore, the idea was that all of the blocks would have been far more porous with tree-lined walkways linking the open green spaces:
In other words, vision:
Reality:
By the late 2000s, the City accepted that things weren't going as the master plan envisioned, and pivoted to this:
Still a dearth of actual, defined, parks, but they filled in the blanks with one of the earliest versions of POPS, called 'Publicly Accessible Open Space' and shaded in green (greenwashing was ramping up at the time).
In 2024, the latest Public Realm Strategy is presented and we start to officially see the Ordinance Park blocks which form the prow where the Kitchener / Barrie and Lakeshore West lines diverge. Earlier this was part of the Garrison Point Condos and Ordinance Pedestrian Bridge plans but wasn't really seen in other Liberty Village documents.
Originally this was to be a spectacular space, authored by Claude Cormier's office, but that's all been nixed for something far cheaper and less ambitious / exciting. Ahh, Toronto...
In sum, the answer is twofold: one, over the last quarter century, Liberty Village turned out completely different from the way it was first planned. And two, it's still a work in progress. New parks are coming and while they won't be as exciting as when first envisioned, they will still exist.
Amare
Senior Member
Ah this is all refreshing to see. Almost the exact same pattern we're going to see unfold with East Harbour; planned for office and mixed-use, soon to be swapped for mass loads of residential.
But I digress, that's a good primer that you illustrated.
Now if you can explain the lack of community space, schools, bad transit, and failed road network from the time that the city pivoted plans under David Miller with the "planning" of this neighbourhood i'll give you a gold star.
ProjectEnd
Superstar
Why would an office park need 'community space'?
Why would an office park need schools?
63 Ossington and 29 Dufferin busses, 504 streetcar, Exhibition GO station and the fairytale future station on the Kitchener line, under construction Ontario Line Exhibition Station...
How would you change this? The roads are largely historic in that the follow older roads and rail lines from yesteryear. The biggest issue is that we don't tax / toll cars as we should so everyone uses them. But I'm open to your ideas here.
What did Miller / the Miller administration personally do to change direction, planning or otherwise, here?
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Liberty Village's problems to me are:
1. public realm
2. parkland
3. community services
1. Is fixable - but the City doesn't seem to have any serious intent to do anything. It's mindblowing they approved grass medians in the neighbourhood and have been battling with that issue ever since.
2. is getting fixed with a new park on the greenp lot on Hanna, plus whenever the City manages to build the Ordinance Triangle park (2050 if we are lucky?)
3. Community services is a gap that's hard to fix. The neighbourhood probably should have been planned to have a school - and probably a community centre as well. All is not lost though, the City has a massive underutilized asset in the Lamport Stadium lands. If they were smart they would be planning to fill that gap there.
Traffic is overblown - the area is highly dense and traffic is going to be bad no matter what. There are some small tweaks that could be made to help though - the new Liberty Village east-west street will help, and they need to fix the huge number of stop signs in the area which are overloaded. Signalize most of them and delete a few / replace with pedestrian crossings.
1. public realm
2. parkland
3. community services
1. Is fixable - but the City doesn't seem to have any serious intent to do anything. It's mindblowing they approved grass medians in the neighbourhood and have been battling with that issue ever since.
2. is getting fixed with a new park on the greenp lot on Hanna, plus whenever the City manages to build the Ordinance Triangle park (2050 if we are lucky?)
3. Community services is a gap that's hard to fix. The neighbourhood probably should have been planned to have a school - and probably a community centre as well. All is not lost though, the City has a massive underutilized asset in the Lamport Stadium lands. If they were smart they would be planning to fill that gap there.
Traffic is overblown - the area is highly dense and traffic is going to be bad no matter what. There are some small tweaks that could be made to help though - the new Liberty Village east-west street will help, and they need to fix the huge number of stop signs in the area which are overloaded. Signalize most of them and delete a few / replace with pedestrian crossings.