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Eglinton East LRT | Metrolinx

Amare said:
This is all performative work, they dont have 1 cent of funding for this. By the time the find that 1 cent, they'll have to re-do the EA.

Needless to say, this thing ain't happening anytime soon so dont read into it.
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The city still taxes every property owner with this so called "Scarborough subway levy" since the Ford era. That money is supposedly reallocated to help fund a portion of this LRT but the ballooning cost means only a portion is funded and they would have to get the feds to chip in. It is total BS that the city is still taxing everyone if they don't intend to build anything.
 
Steve X said:
The city still taxes every property owner with this so called "Scarborough subway levy" since the Ford era. That money is supposedly reallocated to help fund a portion of this LRT but the ballooning cost means only a portion is funded and they would have to get the feds to chip in. It is total BS that the city is still taxing everyone if they don't intend to build anything.
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Indeed. I am curious how much has been accumulated, don't know how to find out.
 
Perhaps the Eg East LRT will be more viable if a different way of choosing LRT routes is adopted.

Originally, Transit City promised LRT as rapid transit, which means covering large areas and reaching far-away corners. But as we know much more about the implementation details today, Toronto light rail is not rapid transit. It is local transit, capable of moving more riders than the buses, but without much improvements in the travel time.

And that's not wrong, but - light rail should then be built where high density and high transit demand can be achieved. Not striving to reach far-away corners where the demand level is modest, leave that job to express buses.

For the Eg East LRT, that means: thinking less about expanding the system to the north of the 401 (Malvern Centre, the Zoo etc, where high demand level is unlikely), and instead, considering the future companion light rail lines to the south of Ellesmere Road.
 
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In the map above, 3 thick lines are existing or potential subways. 4 thinner lines are potential light rail routes:

Eglinton East, from the Kennedy Stn to U of T Scarborough, and possibly to Sheppard & Conlins if the MSF is still there.

St Clair East & Kingston, from the Warden Stn on Line 2

Danforth & Kingston, from the Victoria Park Stn on Line 2

Lawrence East, from the Ontario Line interchange to the Port Unon GO at the edge of the city.

It is unlikely that all 4 LRT lines above will get build. Even if it is just 2 or 3 of them, that would improve the cost/revenue ratio, compared to the standalone Eg East LRT. Because, a single MSF will serve multiple lines, and its cost will be shared.

If a very high density is planned for the Golden Mile, it is not unreasonable to expect something similar along Eglinton on the other side of Kennedy. Kingston Road and St. Clair East, too, why not?

While the northern destinations: Malvern Centre and the Zoo - can be handled by express buses. LRT-level demand is not very likely there.
 
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abovegrade said:
With the fiasco with Line 6, what do you guys expect might happen to this line? Will the TTC be pushed to build a subway? BRT? Elevated LRT line? What do you guys think.
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The line 6/5 doesn't appear in its final steady state. I think it would be premature to really make a call. There is pressure right now to fix line 6 to meet (or at least improve) the original goals communicated to the public... And we are seeing some motions put forward to change practices... But too early to tell. I figure by the spring/summer we'll be better suited to answer.

Ironically I believe this project (EELRT) was projected to be slower than the bus... So perhaps that will sway decision away from its proposed state now that we've had more of a taste of slow rail. If anything, the contractual nature of line 6 (and I assume 5) do not seem to involve the public... They should have a substantial say if the goalposts change... Especially ~1 year before opening as with line 6.
 
Cancel it. I live on the corridor and have been calling for it to be brt years. the LRT is not only projected to be slower than the 905 but will introduce many forced transfers for existing users of the 116, 86, 85, and 12, slowing down travel times for those riders that much more. A BRT would actually improve travel times, and allow for a branching service to be maintained. An elevated LRt could work but i think i'f you are spending all the money on grade seperation you may as well build a subway. A line 4 extension to UTSC with new bus connections would provide faster travel times to UTSC, Centennial, Malvern, West Hill. West rouge, and more, than the LRT would, and can coexist alongside a BRT to help funnel people to the subway and to the lakeshore line
 
KhalilHeron said:
Cancel it. I live on the corridor and have been calling for it to be brt years. the LRT is not only projected to be slower than the 905 but will introduce many forced transfers for existing users of the 116, 86, 85, and 12, slowing down travel times for those riders that much more. A BRT would actually improve travel times, and allow for a branching service to be maintained. An elevated LRt could work but i think i'f you are spending all the money on grade seperation you may as well build a subway. A line 4 extension to UTSC with new bus connections would provide faster travel times to UTSC, Centennial, Malvern, West Hill. West rouge, and more, than the LRT would, and can coexist alongside a BRT to help funnel people to the subway and to the lakeshore line
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I hear you. I selfishly really wanted Scarborough to have a proper rail line.
 
abovegrade said:
With the fiasco with Line 6, what do you guys expect might happen to this line? Will the TTC be pushed to build a subway? BRT? Elevated LRT line? What do you guys think.
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I hope better local bus service or BRT, complemented by a Line 2 or 4 extension to UTSC as is normal for a city of this size to connect all its major universities with metro (e.g. Montreal). Line 7 as it stands is borne of the same braindead 'intelligentsia' that brought you hits like Line 6 and 5. Even if competently run, they are inherently less futureproof due to low potential for increasing capacity. And noone is going to replace an existing LRT with a metro when the population balloons, not even China.

Line 6:
Usually 15 to 30 minutes slower than the 36 bus.
Will be 20 minutes slower than taking the 40 GO Bus to Highway 407 then taking Line 1 to Finch West (starting January 3, 2026).

Line 5:
RSD schedule 12 minutes slower than advertised (TTC Board meeting yesterday) and slower than the 34 bus.
If you are already on Line 1 on the Yonge side going south towards Yonge-Eglinton, it would be faster to get to Kennedy station by transferring to Line 2 at Bloor-Yonge.

Transfer at Yonge-Eglinton: 5 minutes for transfer, 37 minutes on Line 5
Transfer at Bloor-Yonge: 9 minutes more on Line 1, 5 minutes for transfer, 23 minutes on Line 2

The only time it would make sense is if you are on the street near Yonge-Eglinton and not already on Line 1. Needless to say if you were going north from Union towards Eglinton, you would always transfer to Line 2.

Montreal has 8 metro/REM stations serving 5 unique campuses. Be better Toronto. A subway extension to UTSC will probably never happen in my lifetime, but I can still hope.
Correction: Montreal has 10 unique metro/REM stations serving 6 unique campuses (I forgot about Brossard UdeM). 14 if you count repeated interchange stations.
 
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KhalilHeron said:
I do to... i miss my daily trips on line 3.
If line 4 can one day take you between vic park and Morningside thats enough of a scarborough line for me
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I think we have an opportunity to justify building a line 7 subway in toronto, ensuring that through this line we build transit-oriented communities (something scarborough needs more of). I am not sure a BRT would be enough alone capacity wise if we were also going to go the urbanism route.
 
abovegrade said:
I think we have an opportunity to justify building a line 7 subway in toronto, ensuring that through this line we build transit-oriented communities (something scarborough needs more of). I am not sure a BRT would be enough alone capacity wise if we were also going to go the urbanism route.
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yea catalyzing new development is the only metric where LRT performs way better than BRT, though far more urban developments are already being proposed along the route regardless of transit options so i dont think it enough to affect the decision. A line 4 extension would certainly bring plenty of new development to Scarborough.
 
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