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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

So <2 weeks ago Verster said RSD (revenue service demonstration) will be early in Q1. This lines up with @Northern Light 's source and is a similar timeline to what I've heard from people associated with CrosstownLRT.

Recall that passengers are the only difference between RSD and the line being open to the public. Lets say Verster conservatively implied a mid February timeline with his comments. But according to the TTC we are expected to believe that they will be unable to operate the line for another 6 months after RSD? Give me a break.
 
bono47 said:
So <2 weeks ago Verster said RSD (revenue service demonstration) will be early in Q1. This lines up with @Northern Light 's source and is a similar timeline to what I've heard from people associated with CrosstownLRT.

Recall that passengers are the only difference between RSD and the line being open to the public. Lets say Verster conservatively implied a mid February timeline with his comments. But according to the TTC we are expected to believe that they will be unable to operate the line for another 6 months after RSD? Give me a break.
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At this point I think they're padding their schedule "just 'cause."

Or maybe they've gotten so used to huge delays that that don't actually remember how to do an opening day anymore.
 
bono47 said:
So <2 weeks ago Verster said RSD (revenue service demonstration) will be early in Q1. This lines up with @Northern Light 's source and is a similar timeline to what I've heard from people associated with CrosstownLRT.

Recall that passengers are the only difference between RSD and the line being open to the public. Lets say Verster conservatively implied a mid February timeline with his comments. But according to the TTC we are expected to believe that they will be unable to operate the line for another 6 months after RSD? Give me a break.
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If my source's info is accurate; and I don't doubt them at all; but they are as at the mercy as the rest of us to Mx, or the consortium not achieving what they were supposed to by date 'x'.......The TTC would have sufficient lead time to begin to operate sometime in Q2.

As @Steve Munro has pointed out above, there is a lead time from the moment the TTC is told 'GO' to being able to have the line staffed up, the minimum lead time is one Board Period, (sign-up for routes by operators), which varies in length throughout the year, but would be ~6-8 weeks on average, but the lead time is actually a bit longer, as someone has to order the new schedule into effect and create the sign-up ups for those schedules, which won't be changed the day or even the week before they are supposed to go up.

To bring this back together, I think a Q2 date from mid-April through end of June should be viable if other targets are hit as they should be.

But the latter remains to be seen.

Ramping up service in the summer would seem odd to me; as the TTC has to deal with vacations like any employer, and generally cuts back service going into summer. But we shall see.
 
Northern Light said:
If my source's info is accurate; and I don't doubt them at all; but they are as at the mercy as the rest of us to Mx, or the consortium not achieving what they were supposed to by date 'x'.......The TTC would have sufficient lead time to begin to operate sometime in Q2.

As @Steve Munro has pointed out above, there is a lead time from the moment the TTC is told 'GO' to being able to have the line staffed up, the minimum lead time is one Board Period, (sign-up for routes by operators), which varies in length throughout the year, but would be ~6-8 weeks on average, but the lead time is actually a bit longer, as someone has to order the new schedule into effect and create the sign-up ups for those schedules, which won't be changed the day or even the week before they are supposed to go up.

To bring this back together, I think a Q2 date from mid-April through end of June should be viable if other targets are hit as they should be.

But the latter remains to be seen.

Ramping up service in the summer would seem odd to me; as the TTC has to deal with vacations like any employer, and generally cuts back service going into summer. But we shall see.
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Summer gives the TTC the time to measure the service impacts of the massive number of service changes that will be made once it launches with a bit of a lower demand for service. Doing so would allow them to make adjustments to the schedules that would go into effect for the September board period when service demand increases.
 
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jordanmkasla2009 said:
Summer gives the TTC the time to measure the service impacts of the massive number of service changes that will be made once it launches with a bit of a lower demand for service. Doing so would allow them to make adjustments to the schedules that would go into effect for the September board period when service demand increases.
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Except that the schedule sign ups for the September board period occur some time in advance, so if there is any time frame in which they can make adjustments to the schedule, it is a trivially small one.
 
jordanmkasla2009 said:
Summer gives the TTC the time to measure the service impacts of the massive number of service changes that will be made once it launches with a bit of a lower demand for service. Doing so would allow them to make adjustments to the schedules that would go into effect for the September board period when service demand increases.
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@T3G is correct. The September Board is set by mid-July at the latest. So they would be unable to use any learnings before the October Board.
 
I know in the past, the TTC has had an aversion to having major service adjustments take place in the summer board periods (asides from the seasonal service reductions).

Unless Metrolinx presses them to do otherwise, i'd be surprised if the TTC would willingly look to start operations here in the summer board periods.
 
Amare said:
I know in the past, the TTC has had an aversion to having major service adjustments take place in the summer board periods (asides from the seasonal service reductions).

Unless Metrolinx presses them to do otherwise, i'd be surprised if the TTC would willingly look to start operations here in the summer board periods.
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Is it only a matter of time that Metrolinx merges with (takes over) the TTC?
 
Toronto Rocks said:
Is it only a matter of time that Metrolinx merges with (takes over) the TTC?
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I would speculate that is now off the table. ML has no credibility left. QP does not want to inherit the operational headache of delivering transit to Toronto, especially with an unreliable organization doing the delivery..... and the organizational churn would paralyse things for a year or two..

It was fine for ML to propose "Superlinx" a few years ago, but fortunes have changed.

- Paul
 
Amare said:
I know in the past, the TTC has had an aversion to having major service adjustments take place in the summer board periods (asides from the seasonal service reductions).

Unless Metrolinx presses them to do otherwise, i'd be surprised if the TTC would willingly look to start operations here in the summer board periods.
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Transit planners will tell you that the Labour Day service change is the most difficult and stressful adjustment of the year. A "big bang" LRT rollout would compound that.
If it's not done by Canada Day, it will be October.

- Paul
 
Dec 10
I did a "WHAT" going past Mount Dennis Station Entrance that I did a U-turn to go back to have a look and shoot it.

The whole plaza area as well most of the hill have been 100% removed with grading taking place. Never noticed it last week when I went by it. The area was removed for the extensions with only a narrow walkway from the street to the entrance that could be use by riders li the line was in service. The area will be rebuilt in 2025 or so.

Crew working on the Caledonia Stations and been some time I seen any one there.

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Jago88 said:
I know it is not new news but I live in this area and walk by here every other day probably and it is sickening to have watched this get built with lovely paving, benches, lights being added only to see them partly opened, surrounded by temporary fences before being completely ripped out. Maddening
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It was built like it should since the extension was only on the backburner at the time. I do agree that it was sad to see the area torn up, considering I been shooting that area from day one, but it had to be done to deal with the extension. This what you get when there is no funding in place when one phase stop and the other is not ready. If the recession hadn't happen in 2008, the extension would be built now on the surface as plan, not underground like Ford like to place transit at higher cost than it should be in the first place.

Will it be fully ready come June 1, 2025 when the line is to open then if it does happen??
 
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