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[Bojaxs]

Rail is way easier to control with a signalling system.

And so why would that mean slower trains? Help me understand please. Aren't the C-trains in Calgary also governed by a signalling system? They seem to go fairly fast.

 

[imerk]

Two things....First, you get what you pay for.

And second, $252 wasn't even half of average price of a rider's bike when I was last in the bike industry almost 20 years ago.

To reiterate @evandyk 's point.....I recall many, many years ago interacting with bike courier downtown who had a very high-end carbon fibre bike frame well before they were commonplace. He wrapped his frame in electrical tape so as to disguise what it actually was. He had it for many years. But if you knew, you knew.....

Dan

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate paying for quality as much as the next person, just had a bit of sticker shock. A Kryptonite lock in the $100-150 range was more so my expectation.

As a pretty casual rider who mainly uses BikeShare now I might be a bit out of touch to what daily cyclist commuters are using these days. I guess it's very possible most people are riding $1000 bikes and locking them up outside..

 

[smallspy]

as someone that owns a high end bike worth over $3000 I think the whole "someone cut my lock" is a bit exaggerated.\

It's not.

I worked at a host of different bike stores in my youth, most in the east end but one in Cabbagetown. In the east end, we'd get a couple of people a week coming in looking for a new bike because their previous one had its lock cut. Downtown, it was more like daily.

And that was 25 years ago. More people are cycling today. I don't have any hard numbers unfortunately, but it stands to reason that more people are getting their bikes stolen, too.

In the way that you cant buy a $15 wallmart lock expecting it to keep the bike safe, you have to invest in a good lock.

Agreed.

This isnt an ad, but I use a "kryptonite new york lock" which comes with insurance because they are so confident its that hard to cut. They will give you the full cost of the bike if your bike gets stolen while locked up
Its just over $100.

It's way more than $100. I used to sell them by the tonne at $150, and that was 25 and more years ago.

Dan

 

[The REAL]

Lots of new detail on the Eglinton East LRT here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1791094302434611486

Eglinton East LRT: Public Consultation

Phase One and Two of consultations for the Eglinton East LRT are now complete. Please subscribe to the Project Email to learn about upcoming engagement opportunities

www.toronto.ca

Apparently the EELRT will use different vehicles because of how the tunnels will be positioned away from Kennedy station and the SSE (Line 2 extension to STC)

 

[generalcanada]

It's not.

I worked at a host of different bike stores in my youth, most in the east end but one in Cabbagetown. In the east end, we'd get a couple of people a week coming in looking for a new bike because their previous one had its lock cut. Downtown, it was more like daily.

And that was 25 years ago. More people are cycling today. I don't have any hard numbers unfortunately, but it stands to reason that more people are getting their bikes stolen, too.


Agreed.


It's way more than $100. I used to sell them by the tonne at $150, and that was 25 and more years ago.

Dan

I got this for 130$ total 2 years ago

https://www.amazon.ca/Kryptonite-New-U-Standard-Heavy-Bicycle/dp/B06XCH21YH?th=1

inflation hurts

my point was that there is alot of people who buy sub-100$ cable locks and think its good enough.
You say people came in saying their lock was cut, but didnt say which one. How do you know they didnt use cable locks?

 

[eglinton1661]

Apparently the EELRT will use different vehicles because of how the tunnels will be positioned away from Kennedy station and the SSE (Line 2 extension to STC)

Yes, the reason for this is explained in Steve Munro's post here from 2022:

The problem originates in a design change made by Metrolinx in the design at Kennedy Station. When the line would have had through running to STC via an LRT replacement for the SRT, the Eglinton Crosstown LRT was to be at the same depth as the existing subway with a common mezzanine above for transfers between the two lines. With the decision to extend the subway, the Crosstown’s elevation was changed to be at mezzanine level to reduce the cost of excavation for the new station.

If the EELRT was to through-run with the Crosstown, it would have to cross under the GO corridor just above, but to the north of the subway tunnel. The geometry of the situation was such that the EELRT, instead of surfacing east of Kennedy Station, would have to run underground through a Midland Station and then rise to the surface.

The subway tunnel was not designed by Metrolinx to carry the load of an LRT line immediately above it, and there were also clearance problems with the southeastern abutment of the Eglinton Avenue bridge over the GO corridor. The lack of a joint tunnel design for the two services says something about the lack of commitment to project integration.

Eglinton East LRT Update, June 2022 (Revised)

Revised June 9, 2022: A section has been added at the end of the article based on the discussion at the Executive Committee meeting. Two reports are on Toronto’s Executive Committee Agenda fo…

stevemunro.ca

Also, I am old enough to remember when this thread was about the Eglinton Crosstown. Two pages on bike locks, my god. Make a different thread

 

[cplchanb]

seems like they next train signs are now showing actual train info. saw the ones at Aga Khan station showing next 2 train etas

 

[turbanplanner]

Yes, the reason for this is explained in Steve Munro's post here from 2022:

Eglinton East LRT Update, June 2022 (Revised)

Revised June 9, 2022: A section has been added at the end of the article based on the discussion at the Executive Committee meeting. Two reports are on Toronto’s Executive Committee Agenda fo…

stevemunro.ca

Also, I am old enough to remember when this thread was about the Eglinton Crosstown. Two pages on bike locks, my god. Make a different thread

Just what we need, more orphan threads with less posts than I have fingers

 

[Admiral Beez]

Newbie Ottawa riders thought that they could force the doors to stop closing - or reopen - by brute force.

I thought the issue was derailments? In this video Alstom is blaming loose wheel nuts.

Let's hope we don't suffer such issues with the Crosstown.

 

[T3G]

How many times have you been told that Ottawa and the Crosstown use different types of train models?

 

[Admiral Beez]

How many times have you been told that Ottawa and the Crosstown use different types of train models?

I suggest you park the dismissive attitude. We don't need identical equipment to learn from another Ontario city's experience with Alstom, the same supplier of the Crosstown's rolling stock. Alstrom is blaming loose wheel bearing fittings for derailments with Ottawa's Citadis Spirit trains, and is now implementing a redesign and fix; so I hope Metrolinx is checking if their Alstrom Flexity Freedom trains have the same issue.

Perhaps Alstom's Thunder Bay and Ottawa assembly plants do not both source their bogies and bearing assemblies from Alstom's Sorel-Tracy, QC plant, but it's still worth asking. Imagine instead some idiot at Metrolinx saying: "Ottawa and the Crosstown use different types of train models, so Ottawa's experience with Alstom is not relevant." Hopefully that idiot is terminated or reassigned to where they can do no harm.

 

[APTA-2048]

I suggest you park the dismissive attitude. We don't need identical equipment to learn from another Ontario city's experience with Alstrom, the same supplier of the Crosstown's rolling stock. For example, Alstrom is blaming loose wheel bearing fittings for derailments with Ottawa's Citadis Spirit trains, and is now implementing a redesign and fix. I'd like to hope Metrolinx is checking if their Alstrom Flexity Freedom trains have the same issue.

The Crosstown cars were designed and built by Bombardier. Exact same cars are running in Waterloo and Edmonton right now.

 

[T3G]

I suggest you park the dismissive attitude. We don't need identical equipment to learn from another Ontario city's experience with Alstrom, the same supplier of the Crosstown's rolling stock. For example, Alstrom is blaming loose wheel bearing fittings for derailments with Ottawa's Citadis Spirit trains, and is now implementing a redesign and fix. I'd like to hope Metrolinx is checking if their Alstrom Flexity Freedom trains have the same issue.

Why would we need to learn from a city's experience with a different model of train, when Waterloo and Edmonton are running the cars right now, and they themselves are not dissimilar to the legacy cars that Toronto has had in service for the last 10 years?

Bringing up Ottawa, therefore, seems like an attempt to stir up doubt and uncertainty.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Why would we need to learn.....seems like an attempt to stir up doubt and uncertainty.

You should work at Boeing with that thinking. Instead, we should always be learning, and yes doubting and questioning. If the common supplier, in this case Alstom has shipped product with faulty bearings it should pique interest, not dismissals.

All of Alstom's Canadian customers, not matter what specific train sets they're operating should be calling their supplier rep and asking if the bearing redesign on the Citadis Spirit impacts them. It's a simple phone call or email that I want to assume has already been made.

 

[fanoftoronto]

You should work at Boeing with that thinking. Instead, we should always be learning, and yes doubting and questioning. If the common supplier, in this case Alstrom has shipped product with faulty bearings it should pique interest, not dismissals.

All of Altrom's Canadian customers, not matter what specific train sets they're operating should be calling their supplier rep and asking if the bearing redesign on the Citadis Spirit impacts them. It's a simple phone call or email that I want to assume has already been made.

It's fine to be critical of suppliers given a prevalent problem. But in this case, Alstom wasn't the original designer or builder of the Flexity Freedom LRVs. Bombardier designed these LRVs and mostly even built them.

Alstom procured the transportation division of Bombardier midway through delivery of the 76 LRVs that were ordered for the Crosstown LRT line. By the time Alstom took over productions, the bearings needed for all the vehicles were probably already built and delivered for final assembly.

Hence the others stating that we need to look at other Bombardier Flexity Freedom vehicles in service rather than Alstom Citadis Spirit vehicles.