Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[cplchanb]

I think the point is that the line won't be commissioned until all the work is done.

Yea but you don't do these final works yet until you are actually close to opening. By the time they do the final inspection next summer it will be rusty and flagged as a difficiency. That will push the date back again.

Mark my words, guarantee next spring there will be pics of these already needing repair before the line opens

 

[MisterF]

Is it though?

Yes.

It seems to me that humans are pretty adaptable and can figure things out quite easily if given the chance. So long as we have a reasonably consistent method of telling people where to find it, why do they need more information than that?

The current bus stop works well because it's easily visible from a distance, and easily identifies where the vehicle will stop. It does not identify what kind of vehicle stops there, that part is kind of irrelevant.

The Crosstown pylons are easily visible from a distance, and due to their locations by the entry doors, also allow people to easily find out where to access the system. They don't need to identify what kind of vehicle stops there because it doesn't need to - there is other signage elsewhere (and nearby, and in better locations) for that.

I think that part of the problem is that people view wayfinding as a be-all, end-all - one single piece must do everything. That's a great way to overload it and make it incomprehensible. There's no reason why there can't be a more simplified approach is used, with different pieces of wayfinding doing different - and appropriate - things.

Dan

Point being that people shouldn't have to be adaptable or have puzzles they need to figure out. It should be easy and intuitive for people who aren't familiar with the system. A clear and consistent sign that tells people that it's a rapid transit station is the most basic of useful information, which is why most cities use a simple M or something similar. Our way of using a T for some rapid transit lines (but also bus stops and GO train stations) and a TTC logo for other rapid transit lines (but also bus and streetcar stops) is needlessly unclear.

 

[futurebound]

Yea but you don't do these final works yet until you are actually close to opening. By the time they do the final inspection next summer it will be rusty and flagged as a difficiency. That will push the date back again.

Mark my words, guarantee next spring there will be pics of these already needing repair before the line opens

According to CTS Crosstown was 98% complete by May this year.

 

[youngblood]

https://x.com/crosstownto/status/1713332757844169081?s=46&t=v6u40moV4CNU7xGF-82huw

 

[Admiral Beez]

According to CTS Crosstown was 98% complete by May this year.

Why does that matter? Either it’s complete and operational or it is not. Almost done is not done. There is no try.

 

[east_west]

I apologize as I'm sure this was already discussed, but It's my understanding that every stop, even the ones at-grade, have platforms built for them. Why then did they design the entire Crosstown line to operate using low-floor vehicles rather than a line with level boarding?

I ask because I really don't like our current streetcars at all which these are incredibly similar to and I'd like to hope there was some sort of worthwhile planning/design/engineering reasoning to picking nearly identical vehicles (in a layout sense) to our streetcars.

 

[Allandale25]

I apologize as I'm sure this was already discussed, but It's my understanding that every stop, even the ones at-grade, have platforms built for them. Why then did they design the entire Crosstown line to operate using low-floor vehicles rather than a line with level boarding?

I ask because I really don't like our current streetcars at all which these are incredibly similar to and I'd like to hope there was some sort of worthwhile planning/design/engineering reasoning to picking nearly identical vehicles (in a layout sense) to our streetcars.

It will have level boarding. Lots of pictures out there of the stations.

 

[east_west]

It will have level boarding. Lots of pictures out there of the stations.

Sorry I misspoke. I meant to say why didn't we choose vehicles that can take advantage of level boarding by not having a terrible low floor layout inside? Like our subway cars which don't have to make space in the passenger area for engines and other equipment jutting up from below the floor.

 

[Voltz]

Sorry I misspoke. I meant to say why didn't we choose vehicles that can take advantage of level boarding by not having a terrible low floor layout inside? Like our subway cars which don't have to make space in the passenger area for engines and other equipment jutting up from below the floor.

Two thirds of the stations were to be on the surface, along with three other lines that were to use the same vehicles, of which only one survived, so it made sense to use low level platforms.

 

[Steve X]

Although it is called "low floor", it is still a foot above the track which around twice as high as the platforms on Spadina/St Clair.

I wonder how well this level boarding performs especially with fully packed trains. The TRs had an issue with this on some stations resulting in the TTC raising the platform edges to be on a slope to remove the height differences.

 

[T3G]

Yes.

Point being that people shouldn't have to be adaptable or have puzzles they need to figure out. It should be easy and intuitive for people who aren't familiar with the system. A clear and consistent sign that tells people that it's a rapid transit station is the most basic of useful information, which is why most cities use a simple M or something similar. Our way of using a T for some rapid transit lines (but also bus stops and GO train stations) and a TTC logo for other rapid transit lines (but also bus and streetcar stops) is needlessly unclear.

Again, what is the value of the average passenger knowing that their line is classified as a "rapid transit line"? Do you think they'll turn around and say "no, thank you" if they see that it isn't classified as such?

These obelisks are ridiculous and of dubious value, but the fact that they don't call out the form of transport is far and away at the very bottom of the list of concerns.

 

[MisterF]

Again, what is the value of the average passenger knowing that their line is classified as a "rapid transit line"? Do you think they'll turn around and say "no, thank you" if they see that it isn't classified as such?

These obelisks are ridiculous and of dubious value, but the fact that they don't call out the form of transport is far and away at the very bottom of the list of concerns.

You're essentially asking me why the vast majority of rapid transit systems do this. The simple answer is it makes it easier to find a station and navigate the system.

 

[Voltz]

Although it is called "low floor", it is still a foot above the track which around twice as high as the platforms on Spadina/St Clair.

I wonder how well this level boarding performs especially with fully packed trains. The TRs had an issue with this on some stations resulting in the TTC raising the platform edges to be on a slope to remove the height differences.

The LRV's are supposed to have load levelling suspension, shouldn't be an issue, so long as the platforms were all built to the correct height.

I hope I didn't just jinx anything, and cause more delays.

 

[T3G]

You're essentially asking me why the vast majority of rapid transit systems do this. The simple answer is it makes it easier to find a station and navigate the system.

Toronto does not have a substantial enough rapid transit network to make it necessary to call out rapid transit stops specifically in the name of simplifying navigation, nor will it for the next 50+ years. This isn't Manhattan or central London, with a station on near every corner, the mere presence of a TTC logo is noticeable enough. With the Crosstown specifically the need is even less, as the line is well outside of the city centre. What are people in Scarborough going to confuse it with?

As I said before, it is a solution in search of a problem.

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

The LRV's are supposed to have load levelling suspension, shouldn't be an issue, so long as the platforms were all built to the correct height.

I hope I didn't just jinx anything, and cause more delays.

These vehicles have been in successful operation since June 21, 2019 in Waterloo Region with minimal, if any, issues regarding level boarding.