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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

There should be an inquiry, but I think the issue that would surface is that the contract and operating model for the project were bungled at the start. Governments have been trying to reduce cost overrun and delivery risks by passing these risks from themselves to these consortiums, and unfortunately the risk becomes the risk of creating an ironclad contract that actually spells out all the possible outcomes and how they would be dealt with. Why don't we go back to the old model where there is an in house general contractor capability? Because people don't want to be blamed, but as this project shows... you don't escape the blame... you just can't own the outcome.
 
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Allandale25 said:
Where is she getting the $3 billion figure from? The recent Globe editorial? What's interesting is that the editorial says it's $3 billion over but this Gloeb article notes the Metrolinx figure of $0.56 billion over.

As discussed here, Metrolinx says it's much lower. $12.56 now vs the budget of $12 billion.

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yea we discussed this 2 pages ago, basically. 12 billion was the "budget" for the crosstown. and the contract was signed for 9.1.

How they signed the 9.1 bil contract and have given out 12. is a valid question
 
generalcanada said:
yea we discussed this 2 pages ago, basically. 12 billion was the "budget" for the crosstown. and the contract was signed for 9.1.

How they signed the 9.1 bil contract and have given out 12. is a valid question
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How about the other contracts? The Crosslinx consortium didn't do the tunnelling, nor purchase the vehicles, or TBMs, and their original contract didn't include Eglinton and Eglinton West which were going to be done by TTC.
 
nfitz said:
How about the other contracts? The Crosslinx consortium didn't do the tunnelling, nor purchase the vehicles, or TBMs, and their original contract didn't include Eglinton and Eglinton West which were going to be done by TTC.
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tbms were completely separate afaik and even if they were it was only like 50 mil or so. Least thats what wiki says. im sure servicing costs for the tbms couldnt be higher than 500 mil. the crosstown west tunnel was 700 mil.

Thats news to me about the yonge/eglinton west. Chance you can source that? that doesnt really make sense
 
generalcanada said:
tbms were completely separate afaik and even if they were it was only like 50 mil or so. Least thats what wiki says. im sure servicing costs for the tbms couldnt be higher than 500 mil. the crosstown west tunnel was 700 mil.

Thats news to me about the yonge/eglinton west. Chance you can source that? that doesnt really make sense
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I think he meant to say that Eglinton East is by TTC, not west and that is still about 10 years out.

Which way you want to count the cost of all things for the line, the line is over budget by a few Billions, not Millions. What did it cost ML on the LRV fleet after the legal battle alone??
 
This is behind a paywall so not sure what it says.

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drum118 said:
I think he meant to say that Eglinton East is by TTC, not west and that is still about 10 years out.

Which way you want to count the cost of all things for the line, the line is over budget by a few Billions, not Millions. What did it cost ML on the LRV fleet after the legal battle alone??
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see im still not sure. is it over budget? the budget from 2010 was 12 billion right?

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Province had no choice but to seek Bombardier substitute for Eglinton LRT: Del Duca | Toronto Star

“I refuse to stand idly by in this time of uncertainty,” said the minister of transportation. “From my perspective it’s essential that we take responsible action in order to ensure that we successfully deliver on our commitments to open these transit projects on time.”
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can you count this in the budget?

Metrolinx agreed in 2010 to purchase 182 vehicles from Bombardier to run on Toronto LRT lines, at a cost of $770 million. Two prototype vehicles that were supposed to arrive in the spring of 2015 have yet to be delivered.
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IIRC some of theese went to the ion lrt

since that was 2017 and we havent heard anything since then, im skeptical that bombardier failed to deliver.
 
Phew, I am glad that we live in a civilized city where our transit authorities are open and transparent, and we know exactly what steps still need to be taken to ensure the project is opened.

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TJ O'Pootertoot said:
Having the date leaked (for the project that is going to be four years late) after announcing you can't give a date yet, is not the sort of thing likely to improve public confidence in those in charge.
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If they are still more than a year out, there must be some major deficiencies that we haven’t heard about?
 
pmacpherson68 said:
Just heard on Newstalk 1010, a leaker within Metrolinx is saying that they are targeting December 2024 for the opening day. Take it for what it is…
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seriously... how hard is it be to get that final 2%? why must they wait until everything is done?
can they not just skip the landscaping and non critical items and open asap? i cant imagine spending more than a year on finishing... ...
 
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