youngblood
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EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
How on earth can anyone tell a difference between them. When I was in Ottawa last summer they seemed to be identical to the TTC ones. Also why does anyone really car what the fare gates look like? The more impart question is how are people going to be using them especially in stations where you are transferring from the TTC to the crosstown like at Kennedy, Eglington and Eglington west (don't care for the stupid names that they paid someone to come up with).
NoahB
Active Member
How they look like is how he distinguished between models. Why we care, as Reese explained multiple times, these have better useability and higher capacity.
cplchanb
Senior Member
And clear side by side pics to compare?
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Whatever I'm just trying to say that other than a few people who know about that no one actually cares as long as they work and we actually can get into the stations and we can also find out how transfers between the existing TTC stations will be. It doesn't matter what type of fare gates they are because the general public who will be using them don't care so why do we need to make a big deal about them.
Coolibop
Active Member
Sometimes the small things can make a big difference.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Only too a few people who actually notice them. I hate to break it to you but the average person using the TTC doesn't care about what type of fare gates it is as long as it takes their fare, look at how many different ones we used to have before the current ones. Basically from what people are saying is that the ones in Ottawa and on the crosstown are a newer version of the ones that the TTC installed which in the end doesn't really matter at all or affect the day to day operations in any way whatsoever. This is exactly like the conversation about train horns on the go train cab cars awhile back.
Natika33
Active Member
If the longer Ottawa version means the gates will open before I get to them I will definitely notice the difference. Likewise so will my husband, who complains constantly about how much he hates pausing.
T3G
Senior Member
And I hate to break it to you, but the average person using the TTC also doesn't care about the type of rolling stock that runs, or the colour of the vehicles, or the numbering/lettering conventions, or the naming conventions, or the types of announcements and digital signage.
Should we also stop discussing all of these things, too?
Personally, what I don't care to read is people on an urbanist forum (itself a relatively niche subject) shitting on what other details of the city other people find interesting to discuss. The only issue with the discussion about train horns is that it ascribed value to the train using one type of horn over the other. There is nothing wrong inherently with discussing train horns, or trucks, or doors, or any other part you can name. If the subject doesn't interest you, move on, instead of going on these self righteous screeds.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I don't rely car about that either but for some pole it seem to be import that we should do everything like every other transit agency does without look at the context of this. For example the LRT trains aren't likely to have video screens in them because they weren't ordered with them so compiling about on a form isn't going to change that. Weather or not we need them is another debit but is something that would be deiced by the TTC and or Metrlonx if they want to spend the money on something like that.
I rally don't care I was only sating an opinion that I don't really se why it's a big deal to people what type of fare gates they used is. I didn't notice a difference when i used them in Ottawa and I rally didn't see how anyone else will either unless they are an uber transit geek that knows everything about all types of fare gates.
I was just asking why it's import and trying to understand howe anyone would actually notice anything. If people like them that's fine, I don't really car and don't see any sort of difference the way that some people do.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Ah typical fanboism at the urban Toronto forums!!! It must be a good day!
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
You clearly haven't seen how they don't work well in multiple stations during rush, nor compared it against similar fare gate systems in other locales where the passenger flux is far higher. Then again, constant improvement seem to have escaped TTC mentality for years. Lord forbid people should want better!
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EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I have been to many stations in rush hour and the problem isn't the gates it's the people who don't have their presto cards ready and are standing in front of the gate, it's also the people who think they have to wait until the gate closes before they tap or the people who tap on the screen or stand inside of the gate and tap and wonder why nothing happens. It doesn't matter what type of gates we have all of those problems will still exist and it will probably be worse because of people using credit cards and debit cards without taking them out of their wallets or still not knowing when to tap.
I'm sorry but I don't really see any difference between the two types of gates in the way that some people seem to and quite frankly I don't think anyone else in Toronto will either or care as much about it as some people on here do.
Natika33
Active Member
That is untrue. I have my Presto card out and ready to tap as I enter the station (so long before I get to the gate) and I have to stop each time because the gate does not open fast enough to match my walking speed. I have tried to wave my umbrella in front of me even, but they still aren't fast enough at opening. If the Ottawa gates allow tapping further back from the gates themselves, there will be less stopping.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Whatever I'm not going to argue about this as it's getting pointless. I understand that some people it might make a difference for but for others they don't really care or notice it.