Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[Aplus23]

Why on earth do they need 4 months for setup? Have they not been doing testing for like the last year ?

 

[toronto647]

Why on earth do they need 4 months for setup? Have they not been doing testing for like the last year ?

Ish, but that's also dependent on the timing of the handover.

The TTC has traditionally operated any new rapid transit service for 2 board periods before opening it to paying passengers, with each board period being 6 weeks (and so, about 3 months). (There is a 2 week board period over Christmas, but we're not going to count that - and neither do they.)

If the line was handed over close to the end of a board period, then the TTC could in theory start their work right away and have it open closer to that 3 month number.

But if the line is handed over well into a board period, than yes, it would be closer to 4 months.

Dan

The likely scenario at this point is that the EGLRT will be transferred to TTC September 1, 2023. The earliest it opens is January 1, 2024. I am sure MX/MTO/TTC/Ford will do everything in their power to get EGLRT open by end of 2023. Let's see if they can pull it off.

 

[Natika33]

Was your husband comment from before the pandemic? From my memory it wasn't always like that. The situation's only deteriorated during and after the pandemic. It's noticeable when you see ads for events from months before still on display.

To be fair, mostly since the pandemic, but now that everything is open again, it's even more obvious how little advertising there is. Restaurants & stores appear to be bouncing back, so why not ads within the TTC?

 

[SaugeenJunction]

Interesting tidbit on the Line 5 faregates:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1640006637019705344

 

[dodgeram]

The first day we all ride this line will be glorious. It will hardly feel real.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Interesting tidbit on the Line 5 faregates:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1640006637019705344

I'm not really sure if that tweet is active anymore.

 

[Leo_Chan]

Is it referring to this?

 

[SaugeenJunction]

Is it referring to this?
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Yes it is. The quote tweet I posed seems to have been deleted. Thanks!

The comment was about Line 5 having similar faregates to Ottawa, rather than the TTC.

 

[Transportfan]

I think the Line 5 interchange stations are also supposed to be within separate fare-paid zones.

 

[Leo_Chan]

I think the Line 5 interchange stations are also supposed to be within separate fare-paid zones.

What do you mean by "separated"? Are they like island fare-paid zones where there are multiple areas that are fare-paid, but no way to go between them without exiting to the fare-unpaid zone?

 

[cplchanb]

The likely scenario at this point is that the EGLRT will be transferred to TTC September 1, 2023. The earliest it opens is January 1, 2024. I am sure MX/MTO/TTC/Ford will do everything in their power to get EGLRT open by end of 2023. Let's see if they can pull it off.

i still dont get why they they cant start the transfer when the line is functional and phase the aesthetic bits as they are completed later. its just systemic no common sense ML/TTC red tape that is a lose lose to everyone especially the taxpayers.

 

[smallspy]

i still dont get why they they cant start the transfer when the line is functional and phase the aesthetic bits as they are completed later. its just systemic no common sense ML/TTC red tape that is a lose lose to everyone especially the taxpayers.

It's dependent on how the contracts are written.

The TTC has absolutely opened stations, extensions and whole lines without all of the final elements, such as signage or landscaping done.

But if Metrolinx has to hand over a fully complete, functioning line to the TTC as stated in the operations contract, then that is how is has to be handed over. Hell, it may be that Crosslinx is required to do so to meet the terms of their contract in order to get paid.

Dan

 

[grammin]

It's dependent on how the contracts are written.

The TTC has absolutely opened stations, extensions and whole lines without all of the final elements, such as signage or landscaping done.

But if Metrolinx has to hand over a fully complete, functioning line to the TTC as stated in the operations contract, then that is how is has to be handed over. Hell, it may be that Crosslinx is required to do so to meet the terms of their contract in order to get paid.

Dan

Hi Dan, interesting stuff, can you say how much TTC has been involved to date in the commissioning and operational readiness of the line? In projects I have worked on in oil and gas, our final operator was involved at every stage of design/ engineering/ commissioning and control long prior to handover. The systems are integrated into a larger network after all. I recognize that a gas pipeline and facilities, feeding a major city with control systems is not a people mover but it is still quite complex.

For transit systems do they perhaps recruit people to act as passengers for final testing/ commissioning?

 

[cplchanb]

Hi Dan, interesting stuff, can you say how much TTC has been involved to date in the commissioning and operational readiness of the line? In projects I have worked on in oil and gas, our final operator was involved at every stage of design/ engineering/ commissioning and control long prior to handover. The systems are integrated into a larger network after all. I recognize that a gas pipeline and facilities, feeding a major city with control systems is not a people mover but it is still quite complex.

For transit systems do they perhaps recruit people to act as passengers for final testing/ commissioning?

my colleague has friends who are working at ML on this project. Surprise (or not) as it may be, they told him that TTC is only commenting on design aspects NOW which can explain in part why this is still a clusterfuk.
Whether its TTC or ML shitting to bed, both sides dropped the ball on this one. Why on earth would TTC be reviewing things that shouldve been signed off years ago?! is it a case of ML/Crosslinx withholding info or TTC just completely forgetting to ask for them....
extremely disappointing but not surprising if even remotely true

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

The comment was about Line 5 having similar faregates to Ottawa, rather than the TTC

How can anyone tell that from the photo there doesn't appear to be any kind of readers on the gates it wouldn't make any sense at all for them to be different from the TTC fare gates unless someone at Metrolink is a complete idiot and doesn't understand constantly at all.