Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[Monarch Butterfly]

Probably 40kph

West of Keele Street, it USED to be 60 km/h. Went to 40 km/h during construction. The roadway in Etobicoke is DESIGNED for the "safety" of speeders doing 100+km/h, thinking that a sign with 60, 50, or 40 km/h will be obeyed.

Scarlett Road north of the Humber River to Dixon Road used to be 60 km/h. Dixon Road from Scarlett Road to Highway 27 used to be 60 km/h. Both were DESIGNED for the "safety" of speeders doing more than 100km/h. So they put up 50 km/h signs, thinking that would make those roads "safer" for pedestrians.

 

[ssiguy2]

So you mean to tell me that Eglinton & Finch "rapid transit" lines will warp out at just 50km/hr?

 

[Steve X]

The urban transition to suburban just east of Eglinton Flats is where is transitions from 60km/h to 40km/h. Lucky Ford figure out how to set the limit for Eg West LRT to 80km/h.

I'm pretty sure ML has tweeted out sometime this year the limits is 80km/h in tunnels and 60km/h on the surface. How they are allowed to do 60, I don't know.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

The urban transition to suburban just east of Eglinton Flats is where is transitions from 60km/h to 40km/h. Lucky Ford figure out how to set the limit for Eg West LRT to 80km/h.

I'm pretty sure ML has tweeted out sometime this year the limits is 80km/h in tunnels and 60km/h on the surface. How they are allowed to do 60, I don't know.

On The Queensway, the Flexity Outlooks crawl through the intersections, on "orders" from above. No real transit priority, even though The Queensway would have been an excellent "testing ground".

 

[Coolibop]

Are you suggesting they have slow orders for no reason?

 

[T3G]

Are you suggesting they have slow orders for no reason?

Not for no reason, but the argument that the TTC puts forward is "safety". Anyone who looks at a Euro tram network for at least 5 seconds can see that this is utter bunk and there is nothing to be gained from having trams crawl through every intersection, not to mention they don't have any such asinine operating rules for buses.

 

[H4F33Z]

The urban transition to suburban just east of Eglinton Flats is where is transitions from 60km/h to 40km/h. Lucky Ford figure out how to set the limit for Eg West LRT to 80km/h.

I'm pretty sure ML has tweeted out sometime this year the limits is 80km/h in tunnels and 60km/h on the surface. How they are allowed to do 60, I don't know.

I remember I was looking through an agenda of IEC one time and one of the agenda items was dedicated to this. It was to allow the crosstown rail right of way to have a special clause to allow train operations at 60km/h while car traffic is signed at 50km/h. I'll try to find it.

Found it (bundled with other speed limit motions)

Finch one too!

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

At one time in Ontario and Canada, light rail, streetcars, and radials were considered "railways" and had priority over motor vehicles. Then the auto-addicted politicians changed the "rules" to make them follow the "rules of the road" or else.

 

[crs1026]

Are you suggesting they have slow orders for no reason?

There is a difference between "a reason" and "a good reason".

The Queensway has transit signals at the intersections. There is no good reason to go slow.

- Paul

 

[Coolibop]

What is the reason provided? Safety doesn't sound like the full picture.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

What is the reason provided? Safety doesn't sound like the full picture.

The Transportation Services of Toronto is using "safety" as an "excuse" to sabotage public transit in favour of the all-mighty automobile. Same reason for giving left turning single-occupant motor vehicles priority over buses, streetcars, and light rail (to sabotage public transit).

 

[Coolibop]

I'm just curious as to what safety means in this context.

 

[Bordercollie]

The Transportation Services of Toronto is using "safety" as an "excuse" to sabotage public transit in favour of the all-mighty automobile. Same reason for giving left turning single-occupant motor vehicles priority over buses, streetcars, and light rail (to sabotage public transit).

Of course conspiracy theories.

Ultimately the mayor is the ultimate authority. The buck stops with him. But I don't see any of the other candidates being more pro transit than Tory.

 

[crs1026]

I'm just curious as to what safety means in this context.

It’s hard to fathom.
One theory would be that going slow simply lessens the impact of any collision that does happen.
The second would be pausing the tram’s entry into the intersection so that any vehicle driver who makes a mistake gets far enough into the intersection that their error becomes obvious, so the “blame” is unambiguous and does not get passed on to the TTC by investigators.
The problem (aside from creating delay) is the slow movement actually emboldens impatient motorists. The tram behaviour should correlate to the indications of the signals, and when the transit signal is green, the tram should be proceeding without delay.

- Paul

 

[Bordercollie]

It’s hard to fathom.
One theory would be that going slow simply lessens the impact of any collision that does happen.
The second would be pausing the tram’s entry into the intersection so that any vehicle driver who makes a mistake gets far enough into the intersection that their error becomes obvious, so the “blame” is unambiguous and does not get passed on to the TTC by investigators.
The problem (aside from creating delay) is the slow movement actually emboldens impatient motorists. The tram behaviour should correlate to the indications of the signals, and when the transit signal is green, the tram should be proceeding without delay.

- Paul

I foresee a lot of collisions for the first year.