Bordercollie
Senior Member
If they built it above ground like they originally planned it would have cost half as much and would have been completed three years ago. Thanks Rob Ford.
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evandyk
Senior Member
Stop the gravy train! Subways subways subways!
Amare
Senior Member
Running test trains is much different then running ~6+ LRV train sets regularly for an east end only regular service. It's just not feasible at all.
DirectionNorth
Senior Member
I was once warm to this idea ... but I don't see a point anymore. What's the point of a Science Centre - Kennedy or Leaside - Kennedy service? It doesn't connect to anything, passes through mostly industrial land/stroad, and would be an operation headache. Not to mention the fact that the press will definitely jump on "why can't they open the whole thing?"
Admiral Beez
Superstar
All the more reason to finish those two stations first.
DopeyFish
Active Member
i don't know the reason for the delay, but it can be a problem that can't be solved by throwing bodies at it.
there are things that can only be done sequentially or slowly and steadily.
nfitz
Superstar
I don't recall there ever being an above ground plan. Was this before the 1980s?
Bordercollie
Senior Member
It was Rob Ford who wanted a subway, and hence the comprise was to build the middle section underground.
Voltz
Senior Member
That's not true, it was always planned to be underground in the middle section, there is no room on the surface.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Toronto's transit battle: Compromise possible, Stintz argues, as mayor pushes for underground and opponents push for LRT
TTC Chair Karen Stintz maintains compromise is possible in City Hall’s renewed transit battle, but the challenge will be to convince others on council who appear to…
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fanoftoronto
Senior Member
Toronto's transit battle: Compromise possible, Stintz argues, as mayor pushes for underground and opponents push for LRT
TTC Chair Karen Stintz maintains compromise is possible in City Hall’s renewed transit battle, but the challenge will be to convince others on council who appear to…
Yes, Rob Ford wanted to bury the eastern surface portion and convert the entire line into heavy rail subway. This was then overturned by Karen Stinz to go back to the original plan.
But the original Transit City plan by David Miller and Adam Giambrone included the central section to be underground LRT.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
So then if that was the original plan then what was the "comprise" that the mayor and Metronlinx came to? This is essentially the same as what got built.
fanoftoronto
Senior Member
Mentioned in the article itself. The original funded plan from Transit City was for a partially underground Eglinton LRT, surface Shepard LRT, and surface Finch LRT. Ford changed that to have fully underground Eglinton LRT and Sheppard subway extended (through private funding).
The compromise mentioned in the article is to build the eastern portion of Eglinton LRT on the surface and use the savings to extend Sheppard subway to Victoria Park and to create some sort of transit along Finch.
nfitz
Superstar
They did build the 2007/2008 Transit City plan for phase 1 of both Finch West and Eglinton. The only notable change is that Phase 1 stopped at Mount Dennis instead of the (elevated) station at Jane. Phase 2 of the Eglinton line from Scarlett to Renforth is what changed - going from surface to underground. Which also pushes back the completion from about 2024 to 2030.
Steve X
Senior Member
When did Rob Ford ever get ML to turn the line into heavy rail? The Flexity's were bought and the yard was already designed for LRVs. The line was to be linked with the SRT so heavy rail was near impossible at that time. The only agreement was to turn it into a tunnel using LRVs. ML then decided to pay a premium to reduce the order. As they love to do. They also reduced the order for Citadis when they cut the Hurontario Line's centre loop.
He only succeeded in getting the money spent on the Sheppard LRT grade separation with the Stouffville Line allocated towards ML's own RER expansion budget. Of course nothing was built on Sheppard and that money went towards Finch West instead to use up the Fed's committed funds before they revoke it. The money allocated towards Finch West is then "saved" allowing Queen's Park to uncommit funding to Sheppard East without getting roasted.
All the money "saved" went towards paying premiums for reduced orders and extra costs (e.g. towards Crosstown delays) and taxpayers got nothing in return. Should we be grateful of Queen's Park?
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