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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

I’d think it’s pretty clear the SRT will shutdown first; at this point the interesting betting would be on Finch vs Eglinton
Very unfortunate. I’m sure some scarbourough residents and transit fans would’ve liked to make that transfer, if only once.

If they push the opening date to a year from today, they can say it opened “early” when it’s ready summer 23 ;)
 
Good grief. When did they notify TTC? I'd think they'd have to pay TTC damages for ramping up earlier than necessary, and not receiving revenue.

It's hard to believe Metrolinx only found out this month. I'm guessing there was a discussion with the government about withholding the news until after the election.
They just don't want to acknowledge it. ML and the PCs hate the media.
 
Taking bets... What happens firs lt? Srt closure or crosstown opening?
Another question is what opens first - Line 5 or Line 6?

And is it a year from now when Line 5 starts operations, or when they hand it over to TTC for trial running. Last time TTC opened a completely new subway line (Line 4), TTC were running a scheduled service for months before it opened to the public - and that was with equipment and a signalling system they were already familiar with! It wouldn't surprise me if Line 5 doesn't open until 2024 if the year from now is the hand-over date.
 
Another question is what opens first - Line 5 or Line 6?

And is it a year from now when Line 5 starts operations, or when they hand it over to TTC for trial running. Last time TTC opened a completely new subway line (Line 4), TTC were running a scheduled service for months before it opened to the public - and that was with equipment and a signalling system they were already familiar with! It wouldn't surprise me if Line 5 doesn't open until 2024 if the year from now is the hand-over date.
8+ years after the first phase was originally scheduled to be open, sad
 
If the Finch West Line opens first we should call it Line 5. It can be our very own "Purple Line/Elizabeth Line" meme; Finch is the real Line 5. Honestly though while Crosslinx is no saint in any of this I would hope that heads would roll at Metrolinx for this debacle as well but I am doubtful.
 
Remember how the media was screaming murder over the TYSSE delays?

Actually, TTC did the same thing with TYSSE. They waited until the overrun added up to about $450M before they publicly announced a delay. They must have known earlier, when the overrun was only say $200M, or $300M. Part of that pause however was figuring out a recovery plan so when they came clean, they could say what they were doing to fix the problem.
In ML's case, their own recovery plan seems to be to hint that they will take Crosslinx to court. Like they took Bombardier to court over tram order (and lost). And like they already took Crosslinx to court (and lost). ML likes the political theatre of starting a lawsuit, hoping nobody will follow what happens.

- Paul
 
It’s amazing to me that it takes from 2011 to 2023 (or 2024?) to build a partially underground LRT line when we can build dozens of condo towers across this city. No apples to apples I know, but surely ten years, Covid or no is realistic?
 
It’s amazing to me that it takes from 2011 to 2023 (or 2024?) to build a partially underground LRT line when we can build dozens of condo towers across this city. No apples to apples I know, but surely ten years, Covid or no is realistic?

Actually, the bulk of the project did execute fairly smoothly. The thing that hurts is how so much of the line is now sitting ready to use, but is held up by non-completion in some specific places.

Covid may have had effects, but it would be interesting to know how well the labour supply held up at other times. Over the last decade, construction labour has been in a shortage situation in the GTA at various points.

The decision to bore deep tunnels is certainly a factor.... in complexity, this was a major subway scale project. It only looks like an LRT because the easier parts are on the surface. In hindsight, was that decision the right one? This project was never destined to be completed in a few short years.... those deep station excavations (some mined, at that) were always going to take a long time to finish.

The Yonge crossing is the most complex part of the project, so no surprise that it would take the longest.... and there was discovery work. One wonders several things - was the original engineering given sufficient priority considering it was the trickiest task? Was the engineering completed on time (ie, leaving enough time to execute the construction and still finish on time) ? Was there redesign or rework to that design? How much redesign was required once the water problems with the original caissons was discovered? How much did the response to that discovery extend the construction? Should the caisson problems have been anticipated or detected in the original site examinations?

The really, really disgusting part is how the P3 process prevents any possibility of a proper forensic audit or public investigation to determine where things got off the rails. I marvel at how well it prevents accountability and enables political spin and theatre.

- Paul
 
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