ARG1
Senior Member
I shouldn't be explaining this...
There's a pretty big difference between this:
and this:
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There's a pretty big difference between this:
and this:
ARG1
Senior Member
Notice the white line traveling in the middle of the Orange line from Laird to Kennedy: This indicates that this is a streetcar style service - specifically done so that people don't look at this map, and expect subway quality service from the line.
Also notice how the station dots are much smaller, and so is the font used for their names, showcasing how these are "minor stations".
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
How about neighbourhood or community area maps? One that shows the streets & blocks, stores, schools, medical, parks, community centres, and other destinations up to the next station or stop?
If a business wants their store name to be shown on the map, they can pay the TTC for the privilege. A small store (IE. like a "Kims Convince") may pay $100 a year, while a Walmart big store may pay $1,000,000 per year. (Examples only. Don't know what the real price would be.) Schools, parks, and community centres, would be free.
If a business wants their store name to be shown on the map, they can pay the TTC for the privilege. A small store (IE. like a "Kims Convince") may pay $100 a year, while a Walmart big store may pay $1,000,000 per year. (Examples only. Don't know what the real price would be.) Schools, parks, and community centres, would be free.
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Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
What is "streetcar style"? Less than 10 minute service (even though some US subway or metro have theirs at 10 minutes)? No it is not. Maybe not full transit priority at traffic signals, because the decision makers said so, even though it is possible?
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Notice the white line traveling in the middle of the Orange line from Laird to Kennedy: This indicates that this is a streetcar style service - specifically done so that people don't look at this map, and expect subway quality service from the line.
Also notice how the station dots are much smaller, and so is the font used for their names, showcasing how these are "minor stations".
marcus_a_j
Senior Member
That doesn't mean it's a streetcar style service like the 501, 504, etc. I don't see those lines on the map.
ARG1
Senior Member
Streetcar style as in the operate on street and interact with traffic (its not mixed traffic operations, but it still crosses streets and obeys traffic lights). If the intersections were completely gated where the trains had absolute priority (beyond TSP), maybe you can argue that its something more than streetcar style, but as it stands its basically no different from a european tram.
Its a similar service to the 510/509, and honestly, if Line 5 and Line 6 appear on the map, those 2 lines should as well. Differentiating the 2 makes no sense whatsoever.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Is this a case of UT putting words in MLs mouth? Is that a universal style for streetcar routes or is it symbolic of surface grade transit?
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Looks like a symbolic surface grade transit stops representation. Not "streetcar" style. The "stations" are shown as bigger circles, while the surface "stops" are shown a smaller circles.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
MisterF
Senior Member
The map says "Service operates at street level, typically in the centre of the roadway." It doesn't call it streetcar style. That's just someone's interpretation.
This map or a version of it should be on every TTC subway car.
This map or a version of it should be on every TTC subway car.
ARG1
Senior Member
Well the question is why the need to distinguish that? Its because its a different service type than the subway. They don't want people riding Line 5 east to Kennedy, expecting a subway level service, and all of a sudden they're in the middle of the street getting stuck behind red lights. Especially if someone's from Europe, he will never stop laughing about how we put a streetcar and pretended it was a subway sevice.
MisterF
Senior Member
Yes, exactly. I don't disagree that the surface section is a glorified streetcar, I'm just saying that Metrolinx doesn't call it that. As WK Lis pointed out, it's basically the same way that Boston handles the Green line.
ARG1
Senior Member
The way its been sold to us is that "LRT are just surface subways". By distinguishing the LRT sections like this, its basically Metrolinx caving to the fact that these aren't just "Surface Subways"
nfitz
Superstar
Seems to me it's the same messaging we've been getting since about 2010. Do you not recall the similar conversations here about then?
ARG1
Senior Member
Check my join date, Idk what's been going on here prior to 2020. However, from what I've seen from people on social media and IRL, a lot of people have a much grander idea of what Eglinton is vs what it actually is - many genuinely think its a new subway line.