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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

TheTigerMaster said:
An underground electric skateboard line is actually a pretty good idea.

Skateboards can stop a lot faster than trains can, so we wouldn't have worry about maintaining a safe distance between skateboards. This means that the capacity of an underground electric skateboard line could dozens, if not hundreds of times greater than that of a traditional underground electric subway line.

With travel speeds up to 30 km/h, the skateboards would travel at a similar speed to Line 2.

Quite frankly, I'd be willing to cancel the LRV order today, and move the ECLRT to exclusively skateboard-based operation.

Any word on MX exploring this possibility?
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You have a promising career as a consultant for Metrolinx
 
Richard White said:
As someone who lives near Golden Mile, keeping the 34 will be a nightmare.

Eglinton has always been a busy street but now that the road has narrowed to two lanes in each direction with what looks like bike lanes (they have markings for them at Lebovic and Eglinton) it will be a disaster.

There is simply no room for a parade of buses to go alongside the Crosstown. With buses stopping and going all the time it will cause traffic problems not to mention heavy backups.

I can see them curtailing the 34 in short order once they realise how much of a bad idea it is.

This isn't like Sheppard where you have 6 lanes of traffic available not including turning lanes.
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It wont be a parade of buses. If anything the frequency will be nothing more than every 20 mins (at best), or along the lines of the 97 Yonge with frequency every 30 mins.
 
Richard White said:
As someone who lives near Golden Mile, keeping the 34 will be a nightmare.

Eglinton has always been a busy street but now that the road has narrowed to two lanes in each direction with what looks like bike lanes (they have markings for them at Lebovic and Eglinton) it will be a disaster.

There is simply no room for a parade of buses to go alongside the Crosstown. With buses stopping and going all the time it will cause traffic problems not to mention heavy backups.

I can see them curtailing the 34 in short order once they realise how much of a bad idea it is.

This isn't like Sheppard where you have 6 lanes of traffic available not including turning lanes.
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There should only be one bus scheduled in each direction from VP to Kennedy at any one time. There would only be 8-10 buses on the entire route between Weston and Kennedy.

You call this situation bad? Look at Eg West, Lawrence West, Jane or Dufferin. They all have buses scheduled every 5 minutes or less on 2 lane per direction roads. That’s the standard around much of the city. Scarborough has it nice with 6 lane roads on many east-west corridors.
 
Steve X said:
There should only be one bus scheduled in each direction from VP to Kennedy at any one time. There would only be 8-10 buses on the entire route between Weston and Kennedy.

You call this situation bad? Look at Eg West, Lawrence West, Jane or Dufferin. They all have buses scheduled every 5 minutes or less on 2 lane per direction roads. That’s the standard around much of the city. Scarborough has it nice with 6 lane roads on many east-west corridors.
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In New York City, especially in Manhattan, they have both buses and the subway lines over and under the same streets.
 
Here's Part 11 of Cedarvale station photos taken on September 28, 2021

This one is taken at the Northwest Corner:

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More photos are found here: https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...station-m-s-metrolinx-norr.19747/post-1746309

Up next

Part 12: Northwest Corner Part 2
 
So basically it looks like Metrolinx was right all along to refer to this as limited signal priority:

Transit signal priority will be active on the Crosstown, but its use will be conditional on the vehicles running behind schedule. In such cases, it will be used to extend the green light for the transit vehicle and allow the trains to get back on schedule.

If the City of Toronto is delusional enough to refer to this as Full Transit Signal Priority then I dont know what else to tell them. There's a reason why signal/transit priority has the word "priority" in it. It means that transit would have priority signalling over everything else. But in this half baked case, it's only going to be active if a vehicle is running "behind schedule", and all other times signals will operate as normal. If we cant even get Full Transit Priority on Eglinton, there's basically no hope for the Spadina, Queens Quay, St.Clair, and Queensway ROWs.

And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based. So if you enjoy waiting for your train to leave the outer ends of the line, crawl to the terminal ends, and all the other fun things that come with that well here you go.
 
Amare said:
So basically it looks like Metrolinx was right all along to refer to this as limited signal priority:

Transit signal priority will be active on the Crosstown, but its use will be conditional on the vehicles running behind schedule. In such cases, it will be used to extend the green light for the transit vehicle and allow the trains to get back on schedule.

If the City of Toronto is delusional enough to refer to this as Full Transit Signal Priority then I dont know what else to tell them. There's a reason why signal/transit priority has the word "priority" in it. It means that transit would have priority signalling over everything else. But in this half baked case, it's only going to be active if a vehicle is running "behind schedule", and all other times signals will operate as normal. If we cant even get Full Transit Priority on Eglinton, there's basically no hope for the Spadina, Queens Quay, St.Clair, and Queensway ROWs.

And if that's not infuriating enough, here's another thing we can take out of this: the TTC is planning to operate the Crosstown line with a schedule based operation instead headway based. So if you enjoy waiting for your train to leave the outer ends of the line, crawl to the terminal ends, and all the other fun things that come with that well here you go.
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Remind me why this line is called Line 5 again?
 
Allandale25 said:
Thread on the great Signal Priority Debate ™

https://twitter.com/x/status/1449048385156157449

https://twitter.com/x/status/1449049046719533057

https://twitter.com/x/status/1449049918820265984
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Here's a major issue, and this is why relying on LRTs for Rapid Transit is problematic. Even in a world where Eglinton had full TSP, all it would take is one anti-transit mayor and council, and they can get rid of the TSP and make transit worse with the snap of their fingers. Flexible modes leads to flexibility in neutering the system.
 
ARG1 said:
Here's a major issue, and this is why relying on LRTs for Rapid Transit is problematic. Even in a world where Eglinton had full TSP, all it would take is one anti-transit mayor and council, and they can get rid of the TSP and make transit worse with the snap of their fingers. Flexible modes leads to flexibility in neutering the system.
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To be fair, LRT can be designed so that it's functionally a metro. Multiple cities in Canada have these kinds of systems. Toronto isn't one of them.
 
MisterF said:
To be fair, LRT can be designed so that it's functionally a metro. Multiple cities in Canada have these kinds of systems. Toronto isn't one of them.
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The issue is that it makes future extensions susceptible to major corner cuts that can undermine this goal.

Take Ottawa's LRT for example. It uses low floor LRVs because it was originally going to have on street at grade segments. While it is true that the entire system at the moment is fully grade separated, and the current plans call for all extensions to be fully grade separated, the mode still allows for on street operations which means if they get a new mayor that wants to save a lot of money, the possibility of an extension having on street sections is quite high.
 
Here are some photos that constitute Part 12 of the series of photos taken at Cedarvale station on September 28, 2021

Northwest Corner Part 2:
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Bags of expandable polystyrene are being lifted from the lower level to the surface

Additional photos are in this thread: https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...station-m-s-metrolinx-norr.19747/post-1746587

The final part will be tomorrow and it would also be of the Northwest Corner.
 
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