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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

Back of the napkin calculation... Number of streetcars x capacity = total capacity of fleet
196 CLRVs x 74 = 14,504
53 ALRVs x 108 = 6,724
CLRV + ALRV = 21,228

204 Flexitys x 130 = 21,012
264 Flexitys x 130 = 34,320
That what the bean counter did when they allow 204 cars to be order, not the 249 at 1:1 replacement that should been order on day one. I said all we were doing was moving from one cattle car system to another order 204 car and having room for growth, pent up demand, strollers, but most of the, accessibility community during the process of ordering the new fleet.
 
I agree. But note that 53 × 108 = 5,724!

Also, there were 52 ALRVs, not 53. The prototype unit was returned to UTDC before the first production vehicle arrived. So total CLRV+ALRV = 20,120
Ah, I knew I'd made some mistakes somewhere - always with rapid calculations !

I'll edit.
 
^Now, how will road construction be managed to avoid having one or more routes on buses at all times?

And what size fleet will be needed once Ontario Line construction begins ?

- Paul
 
Link to the Infrastructure Canada announcement.

News release​



Toronto, Ontario, May 12, 2021—Public transit is at the heart of an inclusive recovery, and we must prioritize measures that will build the public transit systems Canada needs now, and in the future. Investing in public transit supports Canadians through the pandemic, positions Canada for recovery by creating good jobs and supporting Canadian companies, and transforms our society for a cleaner, better future.

Canada is a world leader in transit manufacturing, including the production of subway, light rail and zero-emission vehicles, and workers are employed in this sector right across the country. All orders of government are committed to supporting these workers and their families and protecting good, middle-class jobs.

Today, the Honourable Catherine McKenna, federal Minister of Infrastructure and Communities, the Honourable Patty Hajdu, Minister of Health and Member of Parliament for Thunder Bay–Superior North, Marcus Powlowski, Member of Parliament for Thunder Bay—Rainy River, the Honourable Caroline Mulroney, Ontario’s Minister of Transportation, the Honourable Greg Rickford, Minister of Energy, Mines, Northern Development and Indigenous Affairs and Member of Parliament for Kenora-Rainy River, and John Tory, Mayor of Toronto announced that the Governments of Canada and Ontario signed a deal to support funding of additional electric, zero-emission streetcars in Toronto and sustain transit vehicle manufacturing capacity at Alstom’s manufacturing facility in Thunder Bay, Ontario.

As a part of this deal, which is subject to Treasury Board approval, the Government of Canada would provide up to $180 million in funding to enable the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) to purchase a total of 60 zero-emission streetcars and expand their Hillcrest storage facility in Toronto. The Government of Ontario is also investing $180 million and the City of Toronto is investing $208 million towards the streetcars and facility upgrades, for a total investment of $568 million. The TTC will procure these streetcars from an existing competitively-procured contract with Alstom, which acquired Bombardier Transportation on January 29. Fulfilling the TTC’s immediate need for 60 additional streetcars will help sustain the Thunder Bay plant in the short term, and could also create a bridge to longer term transit procurement projects.

Under TTC’s existing contract with Alstom, TTC will be able to secure a product order with the plant, protecting hundreds of highly-skilled workers’ jobs at a world-class facility. Separate from the purchase of additional streetcars, Metrolinx, the provincial agency responsible for GO Transit operations, will also continue discussions with Alstom under their existing maintenance contract for the refurbishment of additional GO bi-level coaches. When at full capacity, the Alstom plant is Thunder Bay’s largest private sector employer, sustaining high quality, middle class jobs for hundreds of families.

The plant and its workers have always been part of fulfilling the country’s manufacturing needs, from life-saving ventilators to trains, buses and planes. The road to economic recovery includes cleaner, electrified public transit and Canadian manufacturing workers continue to be a part of the solution. Canada has the skilled workforce, expertise, manufacturing and raw materials needed to make the most of the next zero-emission vehicle revolution.

The purchase of new streetcars will also benefit commuters and families in Toronto who rely on public transit as their only viable option to get around the city. Replacing aging infrastructure and boosting capacity will shorten commute times and help residents travel safely and reliably. Cleaner transit cuts pollution, raises air quality and improves public health. By electrifying our public transit system and linking it to cycling and walking paths, we are investing in a critical solution to climate change and helping to drive Canada and the world to net zero emissions.

Investing in public transit infrastructure will build strong communities across the country and deliver a better quality of life for all Canadians. The government will continue to invest in projects that best support our recovery, create middle class jobs and economic growth, and help us reach our climate targets. Together, we can create a Canada that is cleaner, more competitive, and more resilient for generations to come.

Quick facts​



  • The Toronto Transit Commission is planning to purchase 60 streetcars and expand their Hillcrest storage facility at an estimated cost of $568 million. The up to $180 million in federal funding is conditional on receiving Treasury Board approval, on the project meeting program requirements, and on the project receiving support from the Government of Ontario and the City of Toronto for the remaining costs. The new streetcars would be delivered beginning in 2023.

  • Since 2015, the Government of Canada has spent over $13 billion in more than 1,300 public transit projects across Canada. These investments have helped build more than 240 km of new public transit subway and light rail line, purchase over 300 electric buses, and create almost 500 km of active transportation trails, bike and pedestrian lanes and recreational paths.

  • On February 10, the Prime Minister announced a plan for $14.9 billion in new public transit funding over eight years, including $3 billion in ongoing annual transit funding beginning in 2026-27.

  • Through the Investing in Canada Plan, the Government of Canada is already investing $28.7 billion to support public transit projects, including $5 billion available for investment through the Canada Infrastructure Bank.

  • In October, as part of the Canada Infrastructure Bank’s three-year, $10 billion Growth Plan, the government announced that $1.5 billion of the available funding will be used to accelerate the adoption of zero-emission buses and charging infrastructure so Canadians can have cleaner commutes.
My questions...
  • Do they have the plans ready to the revised track layout for Hillcrest?
  • Will the 60 new streetcars be a new and "improved" model of the "Flexity Outlook" or some other model from the Alstom catalog?
  • Will the new streetcars remain to be single-ended or go double-ended?
 
This is the best possible situation. We get the same streetcars (better for compatibility, we know all the bugs already and have been worked out, less maintenence costs etc) but built by a competent company thats not Bombardier!
Actually the same factory in Thunder Bay.
 
Now all the TTC has to do is run more service. For example, my understanding is that it has a lot of extra buses (more than is necessary for repair overhead) because it doesn’t want to hire drivers.

More service that actually provides more rider capacity, not needlessly padded schedules with vehicles crawling along to avoid any running behind schedule.
 

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