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chinesehorse
New Member
Bang on. From my experience people working in transit (TTC, Metrolinx, engineering firms, consulting firms) really dislike transit enthusiasts (even though many are transit enthusiasts themselves).
I don't always agree, but I can see why people who spend 4-6 years getting an education in planning/civil engineering/architecture, are passionate for transit, and dedicate years of their lives working on projects are told that their work sucks and that a people on the internet could do better.
More valid criticisms would be the senseless politicization and bureaucracy imposed upon transit professionals and the difficulty in satisfying everyone.
afransen
Senior Member
That's just the general public. I don't see how being criticized by joe public in a way that shows joe public has some understanding is worse than joe public complaining out of complete ignorance for how the world works.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
It's been five years...
These are slowly being replaced...
with these...
These are slowly being replaced...
with these...
KhalilHeron
Active Member
Stubways suck but that certainly wouldnt help. Branching lines that dont end at other transit can be useful given it has the length and density to support it
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Apparently they didn't hire a consultant although they did hire someone who specializes in wayfinding and they did studies with groups of people and focus groups along with local community counselor members to come up with their silly names and the generic t logo that they want every transit system in the GTHA to adopt so that it's more uniform across all systems.
Steve X
Senior Member
The problem isn't everyone. It's just the seniors running large company would prefer doing the old way than to let new people try new things and screw up. They aren't open to change (which all people don't like to a certain degree). It reduces their risk. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
awaterwell
New Member
I think the T is a good symbol. Maybe it could have been better, but it's definitely an improvement over current signage - what about any of these signs says "transit" to someone who doesn't recognize the logos?
The YRT sign does say "transit" and "bus stop", but good luck noticing that if you're in a hurry, standing more than a couple metres from the pole, or have limited knowledge of English.
GO especially could benefit from this - considering how a lot of their stations are designed you could easily conclude it was a carpool system, or a parking lot operator (and you'd be half right on the second one)!
The YRT sign does say "transit" and "bus stop", but good luck noticing that if you're in a hurry, standing more than a couple metres from the pole, or have limited knowledge of English.
GO especially could benefit from this - considering how a lot of their stations are designed you could easily conclude it was a carpool system, or a parking lot operator (and you'd be half right on the second one)!
JSF-1
Active Member
Say what you will about noticeably but I've always felt the TTC bus stop design has to be one of the best out there. To me it is significantly better then the standard "flag" style design you see in York and pretty much most other places in the world. It just stands out more and of course if your an operator I really don't know how you can see the "flag" style stops while driving. The TTC one is more unique and so it stands out more among a crowd. What ever the way finding may be I wouldn't be against exporting the TTC stop poll design to the rest of the GTA. I mean as you drive down the street you are bombarded with a variety of signs on sticks and so the "flag" style bus stop to me seems like it could fade into the background easily. The TTC poll however is unique in that there is nothing else like it on the road. Just look at the picture, right behind the TTC poll is a "flag" style sign on a stick, one of many you would encounter. Yet the TTC's red and white stripped poll is unique in that there's nothing else like it until you encounter the next one.
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EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I don't really see how adding an extra symbol that tells no body anything will help make it easier to find a transit stop. Especially if Metrolinx wants to strong arm every agency in the GTA to follow along with it. Metrolinx created a problem that didn't exist by presenting it to people as a problem and then offered a solution to the problem that they created.
Allandale25
Senior Member
cplchanb
Senior Member
btw did the mods just delete a huge chunk of the meaningless T symbol debate? good riddance i guess :S
daniel_kryz
Active Member
The design for the stations and wayfinding was completed prior to the creation of the current wayfinding standard. Unfortunately, they didn't update their designs to reflect the new standards.
ProjectEnd
Superstar
sacred
Active Member
Where is this? Will it be covered up?