Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[Steve X]

The lack of bus service east of Science Centre makes sense to a degree though it is a bit of a bummer for people who live between the more spaced out stops like wynford and sloane, or sloane and O'Connor. I think a branch of the 34 or one of the eglinton east busses like the 116 or 86 that runs limited service between Science Centre and Kennedy could be really beneficial to people with physical disabilities or the elderly that live or work along the route.

Too bad TTC doesn't have all the money in the world to satisfy everyone. The Labovic-Hakimi stop is there so people can walk to/from the store closer instead of walking to Pharmacy or Warden. Fair amount of people uses those bus stops so the removal would make it a pain for the locals.

 

[anb]

What if the crosstown was instead constructed on either the Lawrence or Wilson/York Mills/Ellesmere corridors? Would this benefit or make the whole thing worse compared to Eglinton?

 

[KhalilHeron]

What if the crosstown was instead constructed on either the Lawrence or Wilson/York Mills/Ellesmere corridors? Would this benefit or make the whole thing worse compared to Eglinton?

Eglinton is definitely the best corridor right now as its the densest and busiest though i see lots of potential in routes along wilson-ellesmere and Lawrence. Wilson/york mills/elesmere i feel is maybe missing some density and any special locations to attract people (like a mall or attraction) and lawrence has to find a way to bridge the gap by the bridle path but if they can connect Lawrence from morningside to yonge to weston or pearson i imagine itd be used greatly. Still... not as good as eglinton

 

[smallspy]

There is a planned bus route for most of Eglinton for local service. Could have extended it to Kennedy and dropped a few stations to improve speed.

And that would have increased the operating costs for transit along the corridor.

Dan

 

[afransen]

And that would have increased the operating costs for transit along the corridor.

Dan

Without knowing how much it improved ridership, we can't say that this is a problem.

 

[H4F33Z]

I think the best idea to satisfy everyone, is to make all rapid transit lines have local bus compliments. I.E, Line 5 should've had minor surface section stops removed like Ferrand, Lebovic, and Leslie removed, but have them (and more like Thermos/Sinott, Credit Union) served by local buses which make all stops, which would be much less frequent. It provides the best to all riders.

Look at York Reigon, YRT still provides local service on VIVA routes.

 

[kamira51]

Sunnybrook hospital is only served by bus right now. It honestly would be nice if it was served by rapid transit of some sort, because tons of people drive to sunnybrook.

 

[nfitz]

The end of the eastbound platform at hakimi lebovic is 100m west of the end of the westbound platform at golden mile, making the stops technically 100m apart though 330m is a better measurement as the centre of the stops are 330m apart

No, that doesn't make the stops 100 metres apart! You can't measure from the stop in one direction, to the stop in the other direction! And if you did (and there's no reason to), it doesn't effect the places where vehicles can cross the tracks), then 330-90-90 = 150 not 100!

Superelvation talked of stations (not stops) being 100 metres apart, with vehicles crossing. This just doesn't happen.

 

[KhalilHeron]

No, that doesn't make the stops 100 metres apart! You can't measure from the stop in one direction, to the stop in the other direction! And if you did (and there's no reason to), it doesn't effect the places where vehicles can cross the tracks), then 330-90-90 = 150 not 100!

Superelvation talked of stations (not stops) being 100 metres apart, with vehicles crossing. This just doesn't happen.

That's why I said 330m is a far more accurate measurement. The ends of the platforms of two stops technically being 100m apart is just a fun little fact to exaggerate how close the stops are too each other It wasn't meant as a serious measurement.

 

[ARG1]

I think the best idea to satisfy everyone, is to make all rapid transit lines have local bus compliments. I.E, Line 5 should've had minor surface section stops removed like Ferrand, Lebovic, and Leslie removed, but have them (and more like Thermos/Sinott, Credit Union) served by local buses which make all stops, which would be much less frequent. It provides the best to all riders.

Look at York Reigon, YRT still provides local service on VIVA routes.

Leslie is fine in terms of location. Its almost 1km away from Science Center, and 1.25km away from Laird. Without Leslie, the stretch would become the 2nd longest stretch between two stations in the system clocking at 2.22km (right behind the stretch between St. Clair West and Eglinton West). What really needed to happen was shift the tracks from the median to the south side of Eglinton so that the entire line could run grade separated from Mt. Dennis (+ Eglinton West LRT in the future) to Science Center.

 

[max]

Leslie is fine in terms of location. Its almost 1km away from Science Center, and 1.25km away from Laird. Without Leslie, the stretch would become the 2nd longest stretch between two stations in the system clocking at 2.22km (right behind the stretch between St. Clair West and Eglinton West). What really needed to happen was shift the tracks from the median to the south side of Eglinton so that the entire line could run grade separated from Mt. Dennis (+ Eglinton West LRT in the future) to Science Center.

It would actually be 3rd. Warden to Kennedy (~2.73 km) is also longer. Found someone worked out all line 2 distances using the markings in the tunnels here: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/mapping-subway-distances.977264/#post-44368012

 

[afransen]

I think the best idea to satisfy everyone, is to make all rapid transit lines have local bus compliments. I.E, Line 5 should've had minor surface section stops removed like Ferrand, Lebovic, and Leslie removed, but have them (and more like Thermos/Sinott, Credit Union) served by local buses which make all stops, which would be much less frequent. It provides the best to all riders.

Look at York Reigon, YRT still provides local service on VIVA routes.

Consider that autonomous shuttles are advancing quite well, including a pilot program in Toronto that was planned. Something like this can help improve accessibility for those with reduced mobility, on a more 'on demand' basis. I would not be surprised if bus/shuttle service will dramatically improve as a result of being able to shrink the vehicles and run them more frequently at low cost (electric + driverless), and with better service (matching passengers by destination to improve trip times). Of course, trains will always be more effective at moving masses of people, but the imperative to put a station every 300m will be weakened.

 

[Steve X]

Lawrence is an interesting thought experiment, even though it wouldn't have happened because Yonge/Lawrence just doesn't have the same density that Yonge/Eglinton has (and will have in the next 10 years). But along Lawrence, you hit (west to east):

• Weston Village: GO station and local neighbourhood
• Jane: Cluster of independent shops
• Black Creek: Mall and apartments
• Keele: Mall and apartments
• Caledonia: A college, large park, school
• Dufferin: Condos and apartments, commercial district
• Allen: Lawrence West subway station, mall, and Lawrence Heights priority neighbourhood
• Bathurst: Mall and community housing
• Avenue: Independent shops, a school
• Yonge: Lawrence subway station, shops, library and some density
• Bayview: York University Glendon Campus, Sunnybrook Hospital (would have to enter tunnel here as Lawrence splits)
• Leslie: Edwards Gardens and Botanical Garden
• Don Mills: Shops at Don Mills, many apartments, connection to future Ontario Line extension?
• Victoria Park: Mall, apartments
• Pharmacy: Wexford commercial area
• Warden: Wexford commercial area
• Birchmount: Condos, apartments, college, and industrial area
• Kennedy: Mall, senior home, two schools, theoretical tunnel connection to a theoretical Lawrence East GO if this actually was made
• Midland: Mall, condos, apartments, college
• Brimley: Connection to future Meadowway park/trail system
• McCowan: Future SSE subway stop

I think if not for the growth at Yonge/Eg and the discontinuity in Lawrence at points (east of Bayview) the corridor may have made more sense in certain regards. Certainly, it deserves some form of rapid transit in the future, and steps are already being taken with the Lawrence East BRT which was put forward due to a motion by the TTC board.

You can't build a crosstown line through the Bridle Path.

A Lawrence West line from Weston and ending at Lawrence West Station could work. An extension onto Dixon to the airport could help develop the airport strip. They could even include a branch into Woodbine Casino.

Allen to Yonge would see a lower usage unlike Eglinton. A Lawrence East branch would be a branch off Line 5 running up Don Mills and east on Lawrence. During rush hour, it could provide additional capacity along the "subway" portion while terminating at Science Centre.

 

[KhalilHeron]

You can't build a crosstown line through the Bridle Path.

A Lawrence West line from Weston and ending at Lawrence West Station could work. An extension onto Dixon to the airport could help develop the airport strip. They could even include a branch into Woodbine Casino.

Allen to Yonge would see a lower usage unlike Eglinton. A Lawrence East branch would be a branch off Line 5 running up Don Mills and east on Lawrence. During rush hour, it could provide additional capacity along the "subway" portion while terminating at Science Centre.

I mean theoretically, you could tunnel really deep under the bridle path but doesn't seem worth it.

 

[afransen]

I'm sure someone could propose running an elevated line through Bridle Path on Lawrence, but they may end up face down in the harbour or simply disappeared by our friendly local plutocrats.