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Amare said:
I'd say it's a pretty wise move. For one, in case of emergency, the driver would be able to stop the vehicle especially these days where people seem to have a a loving fantasy of trespassing on track level.

It would also be pretty inefficient and a waste of time for drivers to be hoping on and off between the at-grade section, and the underground section. It's not like we have much of a choice here.
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Please look up Vancouver's Skytrain. They do not have drivers on their trains.
 
micheal_can said:
Please look up Vancouver's Skytrain. They do not have drivers on their trains.
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Did i ever suggest there are rapid transit lines that operate without driver-less trains?

The Crosstown is a completely different beast due to the fact it operates underground and at-grade where it interacts with both vehicular traffic and pedestrians at intersections. Remind me again, does the Vancouver Skytrain operate in conditions like that? Didnt think so.
 
Amare said:
Did i ever suggest there are rapid transit lines that operate without driver-less trains?

The Crosstown is a completely different beast due to the fact it operates underground and at-grade where it interacts with both vehicular traffic and pedestrians at intersections. Remind me again, does the Vancouver Skytrain operate in conditions like that? Didnt think so.
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You stated it was for emergencies in case someone is on the tracks. On the at grade sections, sure, but that is not what I was getting at. You could set it up that the worker leaves the train at the first station underground. Then let the train be driverless underground.
 
micheal_can said:
You stated it was for emergencies in case someone is on the tracks. On the at grade sections, sure, but that is not what I was getting at. You could set it up that the worker leaves the train at the first station underground. Then let the train be driverless underground.
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And what exactly does that accomplish? They are still being paid regardless of if they are sitting in the train "doing nothing" or doing nothing and sitting in the platform waiting to drive trains in opposite direction before they reach they at-grade section.

All that would lead to are delays with changing the crew, which ultimately increases travel time. The more complicated you make operations, the greater the likelihood commuters will run into unnecessary delays.
 
Amare said:
And what exactly does that accomplish? They are still being paid regardless of if they are sitting in the train "doing nothing" or doing nothing and sitting in the platform waiting to drive trains in opposite direction before they reach they at-grade section.

All that would lead to are delays with changing the crew, which ultimately increases travel time. The more complicated you make operations, the greater the likelihood commuters will run into unnecessary delays.
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Heading westbound, the driver gets off at Laird and the train continues west without them.
The driver then goes across the platform and hops on the next eastbound train to drive it.
They drive it to Kennedy, turn it around and come back to Laird.

Meanwhile, the “abandoned” train goes to Mount Dennis, turns itself around, and comes back to Laird.

The number of trains on the line depend on the length, speed, and frequency. (Say 30km track, avg speed of 30 means 1 hr round trip. If frequency is 5 minutes, you need 12 trains. = 30/30x60/5=12). The same thing applies to drivers, but you only need drivers for maybe 8km of the track, so you fewer drivers (8/30x60/5=5.3 - so round up to 6, in this example).
 
BurlOak said:
Heading westbound, the driver gets off at Laird and the train continues west without them.
The driver then goes across the platform and hops on the next eastbound train to drive it.
They drive it to Kennedy, turn it around and come back to Laird.

Meanwhile, the “abandoned” train goes to Mount Dennis, turns itself around, and comes back to Laird.

The number of trains on the line depend on the length, speed, and frequency. (Say 30km track, avg speed of 30 means 1 hr round trip. If frequency is 5 minutes, you need 12 trains. = 30/30x60/5=12). The same thing applies to drivers, but you only need drivers for maybe 8km of the track, so you fewer drivers (8/30x60/5=5.3 - so round up to 6, in this example).
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Too complicated for the TTC
 
The first 2 spans to the east of Black Creek Dr have precast T beams in place for the new flyover. The next ones should go across Black Creek. Looks like all the concrete is poured for the new S section of Eglinton east of Black Creek and close to shifting the current traffic lanes to it. Once this is done, the portal can be built to allow the line to swing from under Eglinton to the north side for the flyover.

The retaining wall on the Kodak bridge was being poured on Thursday.
 
BurlOak said:
Heading westbound, the driver gets off at Laird and the train continues west without them.
The driver then goes across the platform and hops on the next eastbound train to drive it.
They drive it to Kennedy, turn it around and come back to Laird.

Meanwhile, the “abandoned” train goes to Mount Dennis, turns itself around, and comes back to Laird.

The number of trains on the line depend on the length, speed, and frequency. (Say 30km track, avg speed of 30 means 1 hr round trip. If frequency is 5 minutes, you need 12 trains. = 30/30x60/5=12). The same thing applies to drivers, but you only need drivers for maybe 8km of the track, so you fewer drivers (8/30x60/5=5.3 - so round up to 6, in this example).
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The driver will not "abandon" the train. They'll stay on as a "guard" as the Automatic Train Control takes over.
 
If Doug Ford decides to takes over the subway, he could fire all the current unionized TTC workers and replace it with their own operations. This driverless idea isn't that far-fetched as you all think. Just like how he got ride of half the councilors with a stoke of a pen, he could do the same. The city of Toronto and the TTC simply exist because of Ontario and Ontario can take that away anytime.
 
Steve X said:
If Doug Ford decides to takes over the subway, he could fire all the current unionized TTC workers and replace it with their own operations. This driverless idea isn't that far-fetched as you all think. Just like how he got ride of half the councilors with a stoke of a pen, he could do the same. The city of Toronto and the TTC simply exist because of Ontario and Ontario can take that away anytime.
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Mike Harris "I am the most hated Premier of Ontario"
Doug Ford "Hold my beer"

Stephen Harper "You won't recognize Canada when I am done."
Doug Ford "Hold my beer."
 
Steve X said:
If Doug Ford decides to takes over the subway, he could fire all the current unionized TTC workers and replace it with their own operations. This driverless idea isn't that far-fetched as you all think. Just like how he got ride of half the councilors with a stoke of a pen, he could do the same. The city of Toronto and the TTC simply exist because of Ontario and Ontario can take that away anytime.
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DoFo is just taking over capital costs, and TTC keeps the operation no?
 
hw621 said:
DoFo is just taking over capital costs, and TTC keeps the operation no?
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Based strictly on numbers released ($160M/year capital contribution), DoFo is taking over about 1/3rd of the capital costs while taking ownership (for depreciation) of the entire thing.

I expect the city will be expected to make an annual contribution toward capital in the same manner municipalities were expected to make annual contributions to GO funding.
 
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