salsa
Senior Member
I also like how some people pretend as if underground stations aren't actually cold in the winter.
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I also like how some people pretend as if underground stations aren't actually cold in the winter.
44 North
Senior Member
That doesn't seem overly technical at all, unless Webster's or AskJeeves is smarter than I realized.
Exactly. Castle Frank is surrounded by bridges on both side and definitely gets cold. Old Mill is half underground and half elevated. So I guess one half balmy the other half frigid...er, system error
Hopkins123
Senior Member
If your standards are low, you can only expect sub-par results. Montreal is currently investing million$ for heated sidewalks, not even transit lines, sidewalks; and here we are settling for exposed streetcar-esque shelters as a standard for a newly built $6.6 billion 'rapid transit' line.
And here I thought the David Miller Legacy Rail was meant to extol and showoff the virtues of LRT.
And here I thought the David Miller Legacy Rail was meant to extol and showoff the virtues of LRT.
Palma
Senior Member
I do not remember. It was 3 1/2 years ago
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
If they can heat the GO train platforms with in-floor heating, they can do the same with the outdoor Crosstown LRT platforms.
coopEng
Active Member
The heating on the platforms is only to eliminate the need to salt them in the winter. While this does improve rider experience (not splashing through salty slush) it really makes no comfort differenceIf they can heat the GO train platforms with in-floor heating, they can do the same with the outdoor Crosstown LRT platforms.
Cobra
Senior Member
The Crosstown isn't downtown where the majority of homeless people are, also that's a BS argument. Why aren't they overcrowding the subway entrances?
St.Clair being chaotic in rush hour is a disgrace and doesn't bring lots of confidence about LRT
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Actually, how about Rosedale is not well used because that's not where the density is - and Davisville is not particularly well shielded either. Besides, you don't wait for 10 minutes or even longer for a subway - if you do, your system is already messed up given the frequencies we run at.
AoD
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Palma
Senior Member
can you imagine the cost of heating outdoor platform. Lets be realistic. Our winter are nothing like they use to be.If they can heat the GO train platforms with in-floor heating, they can do the same with the outdoor Crosstown LRT platforms.
crs1026
Superstar
Hopefully there is a solar cell somewhere. You don't have to raise the temperature that many degrees. They needn't be turned on all winter. And, salt free means much longer concrete life. It's not that crazy.
- Paul
44 North
Senior Member
I'm actually surprised Crosstown platforms won't have this, it would make sense. Then again I'm also surprised the wall and canopy aren't extending the full length of the platform. Ditto for the apparent lack of an art component.
I totally get the function vs aesthetics debate, but I think the "shelters" on Eglinton are too little for a rapid transit line. Just because the shelters on Spadina and St. Clair are sub-par doesn't mean the Eglinton should be too, all in the name of "equity". In order to truly be a shelter, it needs to have covering on at least 4 of the 5 sides (roof included). By the looks of those Eglinton shelters, they're two sides, at best.
Even just a row of shelters like at the Mohawk College Transit Terminal would be an improvement over what is being proposed. They also have heat lamps in them that are push button activated, and stay on for a period of 5 minutes when pushed. On a $6.6 billion project, springing for a few of those is hardly breaking the bank.
As for the weather and elements part of it, in my opinion it's not the cold that matters, it's the rain, wind, and blowing snow. I'm fine with being bundled up when it's -20C outside, I just don't want to have wind whipping at my face or snow blowing in my face while I'm waiting. Just give me something to stand behind that blocks most of that from most directions, and I'll be happy.
Even just a row of shelters like at the Mohawk College Transit Terminal would be an improvement over what is being proposed. They also have heat lamps in them that are push button activated, and stay on for a period of 5 minutes when pushed. On a $6.6 billion project, springing for a few of those is hardly breaking the bank.
As for the weather and elements part of it, in my opinion it's not the cold that matters, it's the rain, wind, and blowing snow. I'm fine with being bundled up when it's -20C outside, I just don't want to have wind whipping at my face or snow blowing in my face while I'm waiting. Just give me something to stand behind that blocks most of that from most directions, and I'll be happy.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
I like the South American BRT enclosed shelters where it makes you pay to get on, would also eliminate the need for POP, but with no collector it tap on thing would have to be able to read valid transfers.
