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[Leo_Chan]

They aren't they are just garde separated Streetcar lines, The problem is they got called LRT lines when they were built.

They're also called that on Google Maps. They're called "Light Rail Stations" when they should really be called Streetcar Stop.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

They're also called that on Google Maps. They're called "Light Rail Stations" when they should really be called Streetcar Stop.

Yup. I think the problem is because most cities ripped out there strecars and are now building light rail lines people don't really know what the difference is. Quite frankly I get confused about it too sometimes. It's like saying all conaqcs are brandies but not all brandies are conaqcs. Every Streetcar line is an LRT but not every LRT is a streetcar.

 

[marcus_a_j]

They aren't they are just garde separated Streetcar lines, The problem is they got called LRT lines when they were built.

They are only grade-separated where they enter subway stations. Otherwise they are in at-grade, dedicated right-of-ways. But yes, they are still streetcar lines, though streetcars are also considered light rail vehicles. Confusion abounds, and discussions pertaining to vehicles overshadows the more important issue of implementation (grade-separated vs. at-grade, dedicated ROW vs. mixed-traffic).

 

[TOareaFan]

Paint an LRV green and just watch the mass confusion that will ensue between the TTC's streetcars and the Metrolinx LRVs. Let's remember that many people in our society lack general common sense.

I am wondering....assume for a minute that I accept that "mass confusion will ensue"....how would that confusion manifest itself? What would be the result? Will people not get on the Crosstown because, perhaps, they think it is a harbourfront streetcar? People use transit because it is convenient for them and it gets them where they are going....I am a total loss as to what the negative implications of the public not being able to tell the difference between an Outlook and a Flexity. Help me understand?

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

I am wondering....assume for a minute that I accept that "mass confusion will ensue"....how would that confusion manifest itself? What would be the result? Will people not get on the Crosstown because, perhaps, they think it is a harbourfront streetcar? People use transit because it is convenient for them and it gets them where they are going....I am a total loss as to what the negative implications of the public not being able to tell the difference between an Outlook and a Flexity. Help me understand?

Outlooks and Flexity aren't really that different except for a few minor differences like dul drivers cabs , coupling together and doors on both sides.

 

[Dan416]

I think we talk too much about the difference between streetcars and LRTs.

I don't care what you call it.

What matters is the implementation.

A lot of LRT in Los Angeles is very similar to the subway here--grade separated, no traffic lights. But they also have LRT running along regular roads in parts.

But we don't have any example of LRT implemented similar to LA. Eglinton will come close though (but the at-grade portions could have been done better).

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Eglinton West LRT looks awfully similar to the setup in LA, especially if the projected speeds of 32 kph are accurate.

 

[Dan416]

Eglinton West LRT looks awfully similar to the setup in LA, especially if the projected speeds of 32 kph are accurate.

The Eglinton West design is up in the air at this point.

As originally planned, I would say it is not that similar to LA.

With the recent proposals to adjust it, then maybe.

 

[Voltz]

The presentation materials for the surface section.

http://www.thecrosstown.ca/print/news-media/whats-new/surface-section-and-kennedy-station-open-house

 

[cplchanb]

hmm so on slide 48 it does confirm that they will be laying down a green track

 

[salsa]

I'm not the first to say that I'm unimpressed with the lack of protection from the elements for the surface stops. Whoever wrote that it provides protection from rain clearly hasn't been outside today and seen what rain does when you add wind.

 

[Leo_Chan]

I'm not the first to say that I'm unimpressed with the lack of protection from the elements for the surface stops. Whoever wrote that it provides protection from rain clearly hasn't been outside today and seen what rain does when you add wind.



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These provide less protection from the elements than the current curbside bus shelters! At least be at par with them. Of course, this may be due to the limited platform space they have and cannot widen the roadway to accommodate a more complete shelter.

 

[Amare]

The proposed shelters that will be used on the Crosstown are exactly like the garbage that Astral currently puts up for the TTC. They're a sad excuse for 'transit shelters".

 

[crs1026]

I would have expected a roofline the full length of a 2-vehicle train, at least. That design will bunch up riders in poor weather, leading to longer boarding times.

- Paul

 

[junctionist]

The stops are barebones and uninspired, as if it's second-rate transit compared to the subway. While I applaud the apparent desire to keep costs down, the stops should have more interesting design features to enhance the communities along the line and comfort features like benches and heating. York Region did it better with their Viva BRT stops. No wonder Scarborough residents want a subway extension. This infrastructure hardly looks impressive, even if it'll be a substantial improvement over buses.