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Would rail be more sustainable in Canada if it wasn't run by a national carrier? Sure, we'd see the deletion of underutilized routes, but the market is telling you it's not wanted. Instead, profitable routes like the Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa run could be run privately.
 
Good write up on VIA's Canadian in National Geographic. One day I really want to do this trip in its entirety.

Journey Across Canada by Train
I have enough Preference points to redeem on my half of a Toronto-Vancouver Sleeper. (And if discounted off-season, I can make it my half of a Cabin too). I've been holding onto these points since 2011, trying to find the ideal timing to redeem. 2017 or 2018 will be the charm.
 
Would rail be more sustainable in Canada if it wasn't run by a national carrier? Sure, we'd see the deletion of underutilized routes, but the market is telling you it's not wanted. Instead, profitable routes like the Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa run could be run privately.

If it can't be done in the great capitalist bastions of the US and UK, what makes you think it would fare any better here?

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
Instead, profitable routes like the Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa run could be run privately.
If 'Investors' underwrite more than just a new RoW with HFR, look for there to be a separate business with VIA as the operator. It might be a lot easier to raise funds/attract investors if there is a more directly accountable board and executive, let alone to do business with suppliers. I don't want to project too many ideas on this, we'll see what develops, but HFR, at the least, should be a stand-alone branch within VIA. It also allows any profit (and I think it will be profitable) to be ploughed back into the business, and not go to general coffers to subsidize other less viable operations.
 
If it can't be done in the great capitalist bastions of the US and UK, what makes you think it would fare any better here?

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
NEC shows a profit, albeit the devil is always in the detail, as some other articles point out, but for now:
Washington – Congress will fall short of approving the $1.9 billion President Obama sought to subsidize Amtrak’s nationwide operations, but it is, for the first time, moving to rope off money for the Northeast corridor, the only profitable routes for the passenger rail line.

The Senate on Thursday approved a transportation spending bill on an overwhelming 89-8 vote that would for the first time have a special allocation for the Northeast Corridor, about $345 million. Right now, Amtrak’s Northeast corridor must compete with its other rail lines for money.

The Senate bill also would do something supporters of the Northeast corridor service have sought for decades – allow the rail line to keep the profits it makes in the region and reinvest them on its service that runs from Washington, D.C., to Canada.

“This is a watershed moment for the Northeast Corridor,” said Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., who sought the special earmark for the region. [...]
http://ctmirror.org/2016/05/19/senate-would-allow-amtrak-to-keep-profits-in-northeast-corridor/

It is a good topic of discussion though, as you insinuate, as to look at *profit alone* misses the real picture. Highways don't make a profit either (toll highways besides) but then again, Brightline may yet prove itself.

In the UK's case, there's plenty of private TOCs (Train Operating Companies) and some raking in a bundle, but all the while receiving a subsidy multiples more than British Rail ever did.
 
Privatization? HFR still probably going to be defacto mostly government owned or closely tied one way or another -- it'll just be pension funds and such.

It's a very fuzzy line. Public versus private is very fuzzy when it comes to rail lines. Even some HSR lines in Europe are owned, in large percentages, by Canadian pension funds.

To the point, where many skeptics wonder if it's any better than being wholly government owned -- or even more derogatively, simply another form of cooking-the-books (we pay in taxes, just differently or more obscurely). That said, there are many pros, too, as Europe and elsewhere have found too. For each countries' systems, it appears to boil down to what's easier with taxpayers to roll out policy initiatives.
 
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Privatization? HFR still probably going to be defacto mostly government owned or closely tied one way or another -- it'll just be pension funds and such.

It's a very fuzzy line. Public versus private is very fuzzy when it comes to rail lines. Even some HSR lines in Europe are owned, in large percentages, by Canadian pension funds.

To the point, where many skeptics wonder if it's any better than being wholly government owned -- or even more derogatively, simply another form of cooking-the-books (we pay in taxes, just differently or more obscurely). That said, there are many pros, too, as Europe and elsewhere have found too. For each countries' systems, it appears to boil down to what's easier with taxpayers to roll out policy initiatives.
Yes and no. Many pension funds are *private agencies* acting on behalf of *publicly contributed savings*:
[...]
After a few months in the job, Desjardins-Siciliano sloughed off his sheepskin disguise and began to howl against the tyranny of freight train dispatchers and austerity’s starvation diet. The new CEO hit the luncheon circuit to promote the notion of a dedicated passenger railway - starting with Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto - that would be funded through public-private partnerships or what he prefers to call “public-public partnerships,” referring to Canadian public sector pension funds that invest the world over in passenger railways.

Desjardins-Siciliano sketched the outline of a dedicated right-of-way that would be cobbled together by some future, more sympathetic national government - with track and trains financed by investors seeking a safe haven in a country whose foundational motto is “Peace, order and good government.” Boring, perhaps, but “nice boring,” if you are a global investor looking for a safe haven.
[...]
The recent project is also money-ready, believes Desjardins-Siciliano, who has, over past months, pitched the project to Canada’s big public pension funds, which look for safe, long-term returns, and some of which are already experienced investors in passenger rail.

Desjardins-Siciliano calculates that as little as one-quarter of the total cost would come from the government’s infrastructure budget, with the balance from the pension funds. In any event, the government would have to spend $C 1bn on rolling stock, just to keep its current service running. “We believe that the inevitable and unavoidable $C 1bn investment in new rolling stock can be leveraged by generating $C 3bn of non-government funding to create an altogether much better public service,” he says. “We believe the optimum structure is one in which the construction risk, the operating risk and the revenue risk are shared between the government, through Via Rail, and financial partners. That is the one we would favour. But we are agnostic on the financial structure. What we want to see is a dedicated corridor to serve more people more frequently, to reduce the burden of Via on the Canadian taxpayer, and to enhance the relevancy of Via’s service to more Canadians. The government will decide how best to address this opportunity.”

Desjardins-Siciliano believes Via’s corridor would actually reduce the government’s annual subsidy: “The corridor would become self-sufficient, so that the subsidy, which is tagged today at more than $C 300m, would come down to about $C 110-$C 120 m, to subsidise the long-haul services and the remote services. Over time, the contribution of the corridor would be sufficient to absorb a large part of the other Via services.”
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http://www.railjournal.com/index.ph...partnership-for-toronto-montreal-upgrade.html

Some claims may be contentious, some of the reporting may also be, but that's the gist.

Edit to Add: Canada's Pension Funds, 'private' or 'public' (Government)?
Government
Private
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pension_fund#Government_2
 
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As both you and I said, the line is fuzzy and contentious. I threw in "closely tied one way or another" for this reason, even if not bona-fide government owned.
 
As both you and I said, the line is fuzzy and contentious. I threw in "closely tied one way or another" for this reason, even if not bona-fide government owned.
Fair enough, it was for others making the case for "private" v. "public" owned. One of the reasons for forming a distinct corporate entity if VIA become partners in a consortium is to make sure the grave mistakes of the 'UK example' as alluded to by Small Spy don't happen, the easiest to illustrate being the London Underground disasters: (I pick this article as Boris is a Conservative and a Brexiteer, and this cannot be put down to 're-socialism')
London Underground's Privatization Experiment Dead as Remaining PPP is Bought Out

» Mayor Boris Johnson instructs Transport for London to purchase controlling shares of Tube Lines, the PPP process’ remaining private infrastructure manager.


Former London Mayor Ken Livingstone sued the government twice in the early 2000s to prevent the full-scale contracting out of maintenance and work on the London Underground, which then-Chancellor of the Exchequer and soon-to-be-former Prime Minister Gordon Brown imposed on to the city beginning in 2003. The U.K. government, which provides financial sponsorship for most of the reconstruction of this city’s huge transit network, forced a series of public-private partnership (PPP) agreements through, giving big contracts to private enterprises Tube Lines and Metronet in exchange for the city getting big bucks from the national government to rebuild its decaying subway.

To Livingstone, a Labour politician, the multi-billion-pound PPP deals were undermined by a “fatal flaw” that kept public sector ownership of the system but gave private entities control over it. As a report to the Mayor put it in 2001, “Implementation of the PPP would be unsafe, inefficient, and prohibitively expensive.” The PPP process allegedly cost £500 million in consultancies and fees just to set up.

Livingstone must feel relieved in his vindication. In 2007, Metronet fell into administration (bankruptcy) and was subsequently absorbed by Transport for London (TfL), the public authority that runs the region’s rail and bus system. This put two-thirds of the Underground maintenance and renovation contracts back in government hands. Now, in the shadow of the British national elections last week, Livingstone’s replacement, conservative Mayor Boris Johnson, decided to buy out Tube Lines, which held the remaining third of contracts, after a public conflict over whether the company was being reasonable in its cost estimates for work to be done.

One of the largest forays into re-privatization of a public transportation entity in the West has come to an end, less than a third of the way into what was supposed to be a thirty-year commitment.

I’ll be the first to admit that I’ve been a repeated critic of significant private involvement in the creation of what is supposed to be public infrastructure, so I may come at this discussion with a bias.

But the facts here speak for themselves: The history of the London Underground’s journey in and out of private stewardship should put a damper on what is increasingly frequent talk from the United States to Uganda of expanding PPP models into the provision of a whole series of public services. That is — I say this with a degree of self-imposed moderation — at least until the reasons for London’s failures are understood and appropriate precautions are taken to prevent similar problems from occurring in the future.

Otherwise, we may see a whole lot of wasted spending.

It’s worth reviewing the way the London PPP process was set up: three contracts were written, each covering the renewal and maintenance of about a third of the system’s 250 miles of track for a period of thirty years. The government let the contracts out to bid, and two companies won: Metronet took the Bakerloo, Central, Victoria, Waterloo & City, Circle, District, East London, Hammersmith & City, and Metropolitan Lines while Tube Lines took the Jubliee, Northern, and Piccadilly Lines. TfL would continue running the trains, but these companies were to be paid to do the work keeping stations, trains, and track up to par — under the direction of TfL management. This went far further than the usual government agency/contractor relationship by giving almost complete control over the system to the private companies rather then just bits and pieces of work to be done, as is more typical.
[...continues at length and detail...]
http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/...periment-dead-as-remaining-ppp-is-bought-out/

Are there lessons to be learned? Absolutely, Canada is far more savvy in general in handling PPP and PFI. We can get this right, but it will take clever and experienced negotiation to do so, all the time watching the REM situation in Montreal closely for hints of what not to do. (I originally thought the REM project to be a template for HFR, until details started melting, and the true nature of it started to become clear)

Edit to Add: To more closely tie this back to the pending HFR projected model, be aware that Bombardier was part of the LU model that went drastically wrong: (From BBD's corporate website)
Bombardier Wins Transportation Supply Contract Worth $7.9 Billion Cdn for the London Underground in U.K.

April 7, 2003 Montréal Transportation, Press Release

Bombardier Transportation has received contracts from Metronet for the supply of rolling stock, signalling, maintenance and project management for the modernisation of London’s Underground system. The value of the contracts is approximately £3.4 billion ($7.9 billion Cdn/5.0 billion Euros) over 15 years.

The turnkey contracts include the project management and the supply of 1,738 metro cars and new signalling systems for the Victoria Line and Sub-Surface Lines, together with the maintenance of the rolling stock. In the early stages of the project, Bombardier will commence re-signalling work, refurbish the existing District Line rolling stock and build two pre-production trains for the Victoria Line. The new metro car fleets will be built in Bombardier’s facility in Derby, United Kingdom, between 2008 and 2015.

In addition to the supply contracts, Bombardier Transportation is also one of the five equal shareholders of Metronet Rail BCV Holdings Ltd and Metronet Rail SSL Holdings Ltd, "Metronet", along with Atkins, Balfour Beatty, Seeboard and Thames Water. Together, the shareholders have invested £350 million ($812 million Cdn/ 512 million Euros) of equity in equal shares of £70 million ($162 million Cdn/102 million Euros). Metronet Rail BCV Finance plc and Metronet Rail SSL Finance plc have raised a further £2.6 billion ($6.0 billion Cdn/3.8 billion Euros) on a non-recourse basis to shareholders. [...]
http://www.bombardier.com/en/media/...in-u-k.bombardiercom.html?filter-bu=transport

And beyond that?
Caisse strikes $1.5-billion deal with Bombardier rail business

NICOLAS VAN PRAET
MONTREAL — The Globe and Mail
Published Thursday, Nov. 19, 2015 6:20AM EST

Bombardier Inc.'s $1.5-billion (U.S.) deal to sell 30 per cent of its train business to pension fund giant the Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec will shore up the company’s cash position and could speed up other changes in the months ahead like a board-level shakeup.[...]
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...rail-business-for-15-billion/article27356464/

VIA's HFR must be overseen closely. I trust Desjardins-Siciliano to be part of that, he is by training and experience a savvy corporate lawyer and seasoned chief of staff for a federal ministry, but this has to be *seen* as being done right, as well as done right. I have every confidence in D-S, I just hope he's getting the support he needs from within Transport Canada and the Minister.




 
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Not exactly VIA Rail news but a proposed project in Peterborough next to the historic train station includes space for future service:

Concept plan shows how new OHL arena, hotel, convention centre, condos could be built at the Peterborough public works yard site on Townsend St.

http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer....borough-public-works-yard-site-on-townsend-st

Gallant said the site could also accommodate a Via Rail station, if the passenger train service comes to Peterborough as proposed.

Via Rail is planning a new passenger train service between Toronto and Quebec City with a stop in Peterborough.

Officials have said they're interested in having a downtown station and there's a rail line crossing George St. (north of the Tim Hortons, at the Holiday Inn).
 
Not exactly VIA Rail news but a proposed project in Peterborough next to the historic train station includes space for future service:

Concept plan shows how new OHL arena, hotel, convention centre, condos could be built at the Peterborough public works yard site on Townsend St.

http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer....borough-public-works-yard-site-on-townsend-st
That's an interesting concept and certainly ambitious for a city like Peterborough, even if it is just a concept to show what might be possible. Having the proposed Via line go through downtown Peterborough would be a game changer for the city. The old station building would inadequate for the job and at the very least would need to be drastically expanded. And god knows the Petes could use a new arena - even in its heyday the Memorial Centre was, to put it kindly, quirky.
 
Press release: VIA RAIL POSTS RECORD RESULTS FOR HOLIDAY SEASON
VIA Rail Canada said:
VIA RAIL POSTS RECORD RESULTS FOR HOLIDAY SEASON
Thursday, January 12th 2017
· Number of travellers up 16%
· Revenues up 20%


HIGHLIGHTS

From December 19, 2016 to January 8, 2017:

VIA Rail Cross-Canada Network
282,000 passengers (up 16.0%)
Québec City–Windsor Corridor
265,000 passengers (up 16.8%)
Long-haul – East (Ocean)
7,600 passengers (up 2.7%)
Long-haul – West (The Canadian)
5,000 passengers (up 13.6%)
Regional Routes
4,400 passengers (up 1.1%)

Montreal, January 12, 2017 –The most recent holiday period – from December 19 to January 8 – was one of the busiest seen by VIA Rail Canada (VIA Rail) in several years. Winter weather conditions were no challenge for VIA Rail, which carried more than 282,000 passengers to their destinations onboard 1,300 trains across Canada. The number of travellers rose by 16%, and the company posted a 20% increase in passenger revenues compared to the same period last year.

“We are thrilled to see that the growth in our traffic and revenues, which started in 2014, held steady during this key time of year! It’s a great way to start off 2017 – the year of Canada’s 150th birthday,” said the President and Chief Executive Officer of VIA Rail, Yves Desjardins-Siciliano. “I salute the dedication and professionalism of all of our employees, who are responsible for this great success. They offer outstanding customer service that, combined with extra departures, made train travel a more compelling option to a greater number of travellers.”

Preparations were made to ensure things ran smoothly during this busy time of year. Along with big improvements to the train schedule in the Quebec city – Windsor corridor in 2016, in anticipation of high ridership over holidays, capacity was increased on high-demand trains in the Québec City–Windsor corridor. As well, six more departures were added to the Ocean route, which serves communities in eastern Quebec, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.

Friday, December 23 was the busiest day of the season, with almost 18,600 trips taken.

Toronto’s Union Station, a transit point for 167,000 travellers was especially busy during the holiday period. Respectively, Montreal and Ottawa saw 85,200 and 70,600 passengers pass through their stations to be reunited with family and friends.

12,600 people travelled from coast to coast onboard trains between Toronto and Vancouver and Montreal and Halifax, enjoying the country in all its splendour. Most of these passengers travelled to Halifax, Jasper and Vancouver – which are popular tourist destinations.

Traffic on the Canadian, between Toronto and Vancouver, was up 13.6% compared to 2015. The Ocean route, which connects Montreal and Halifax, carried 7,600 passengers during the holidays. The average occupancy rate for the 24 Ocean trains running between December 18 and January 6 reached 71%. An especially large number of passengers along this route travelled between Halifax, Bathurst, Campbellton, Moncton and Montreal.
http://www.viarail.ca/en/about-via-...-2017-via-rail-posts-record-results-holiday-s
 
Good write up on VIA's Canadian in National Geographic. One day I really want to do this trip in its entirety.

Journey Across Canada by Train

I have enough Preference points to redeem on my half of a Toronto-Vancouver Sleeper. (And if discounted off-season, I can make it my half of a Cabin too). I've been holding onto these points since 2011, trying to find the ideal timing to redeem. 2017 or 2018 will be the charm.
I don't have to remind you that I'm certainly not the most neutral passenger to post my testimony here, but I took the Canadian with my wife in May/June 2015 (when I was already hired, but not yet employed by VIA Rail). We travelled in a cabin for 2 from Toronto to Jasper, where we skipped one train and rented a car to drive down to Lake Louise and Banff and back, before spending the final night from Jasper to Vancouver in Economy class (as sleeper was sold out). Being married to a rail enthusiast, my wife has often to put up with my hobby of travelling by rail and even though this was by far the longest continuous journey she ever had to do by rail with me (our previous record was 21 hours from Halifax to Montreal), she loved it from the moment we boarded that stainless steal train. In fact, we arrived Jasper 12 hours late (which is exceptional even for this train) and she confessed that she didn't feel bored once.

Especially as a Canadian-by-choice (I'm originally born in Germany and my wife "imported" me from the UK to Canada only 4 years ago, where I become a Permanent Resident just before our trip on the Canadian), taking the train from-cost-to-coast has been for me an invaluable experience to finally get a geographical grasp of this vast country I call my new home and it certainly was an emotional moment to reach Vancouver after 5000 km on the rails, passing through the never-ending trees-and-lakes-and-trees-and-lakes of North(west)ern Ontario, the surprisingly hilly prairies and of course the majestic Rockies. I know it certainly is not cheap to ride (we paid almost exactly $3,000 together for the journey from Montreal to Vancouver in "Superdiscounted" fare - I didn't have any employee discounts yet), but my wife likened it to a cruise ship on wheels, where you pay for the days you spend on board rather than the distance you cover.

In short: I believe it to be a once-in-a-lifetime experience (especially for Canadians, who unfortunately have little reason and opportunity to visit a large proportion of their nation's gigantic geography within their lifetimes), but I don't think it's a coincidence that most Canadians only find the time and money to do the journey (if at all) when they have retired, just like the constrained supply of both were the reason for us to fly back from Vancouver (but only after some extra days on Vancouver Island). Therefore, I feel privileged to have had that experience when I was just 26 years old (especially as my first-ever visit to any place deeper in the west than Kitchener) and it also gave me a better understanding of the national service VIA Rail provides to this country (ssiguy2 may want to refer to the $10 bill in his wallet;)). Regardless of which class of service you are able to afford, I have never met anyone who regretted taking it... :)
 

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