TTC: St. Clair Streetcar Right Of Way

[Jaye101]

Cesar Palacio sent a notice in the mail. He wants to extend Keele Street along side the east side of the Georgetown tracks down to a new Davenport extension. He also wants to connect Gunns Road to the Keele extension by crossing the railway.

 

[Johnny Au]

Cesar Palacio sent a notice in the mail. He wants to extend Keele Street along side the east side of the Georgetown tracks down to a new Davenport extension. He also wants to connect Gunns Road to the Keele extension by crossing the railway.

Too late for that. There are townhouses along the way now.

 

[drum118]

Too late for that. There are townhouses along the way now.

Townhouses are on the west side at St Clair with business on the east for a few blocks north of St Clair and the then houses. South of St Clair is the Bingo Hall and houses. There maybe townhouse north of here, but a decade being in that area.

Still will have an issue at St Clair for connection. A underpass would have to be built for the Gunns Rd connection since neither CP or Metrolinx will allow grade crossing there and I wouldn't support it.

Why stop there and go for a new Old Weston Rd overpass to replace the old one torn down a few decades ago?

 

[Jaye101]

From analyzing the photo it seems like the new Keele extension wouldn't intersect with St Clair, it would run above St Clair at the same level as the Georgetown tracks. But that's only an assumption, the description of his proposal does not go into such detail.

Personally, I think Old Weston to Dundas is the missing link in the area that causes most of the traffic woahs.

 

[innsertnamehere]

what photo?

 

[Jaye101]

^^

 

[Platform 27]

^That's absolutely looney. It's like someone (relatively competent) loaded up some airphotos in photoshop and got into Rob Ford's stash. The amount of expropriation required would be mindboggling, and that's assuming the geometry would work (How's the new Keelevenport Road meeting the Gunn's underpass? What's happening when it's crossing St. Clair?)

 

[innsertnamehere]

there would be a big chunk of expropriation but you would probably only have to rip down a couple of townhomes to get to davenport, there is only parking lots and overgrown forest otherwise. it would do a lot to fix the traffic problems in the area without to radically changing the neighborhood.

 

[the lemur]

Extending Gunns Rd across the tracks is about the only part that seems feasible. You'd lose the lumber yard on the east side of Weston Rd and the wrecking yard on the other side of the tracks and maybe get a new Gunns/Keele/Turnberry intersection out of it.

Making Davenport meet St Clair west of Old Weston just means another intersection and more congestion ... unless you put the Davenport extension under St Clair, connect it with Union St and the aforementioned Gunns/Keele intersection and that would be another north-south connection across St Clair. Maybe not a huge impact on congestion though.

I have no idea what he's talking about regarding the Railpath: how does he intend to make it cross the tracks north of Cariboo? Does he mean connecting it to Miller St or putting a bike lane on Osler up to Davenport?

 

[smallspy]

The amount of expropriation required would be mindboggling

Perhaps the full route is, but by and large I think he is on to something. And the amount of expropriation involved certainly didn't bother the City with the new section of Dufferin that was built, or the new section of Legion Rd. that will be built, or the extension of Ingram Dr. that they want to build.

These connections are going to have to be built at some point, right? Maybe that location and route isn't the ideal one (as yet), but that's also why there is an EA for it.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[the lemur]

or the new section of Legion Rd. that will be built, or the extension of Ingram Dr. that they want to build.

Are both of those meant to be extended across railway tracks?

 

[ShonTron]

Extending Gunns Rd across the tracks is about the only part that seems feasible. You'd lose the lumber yard on the east side of Weston Rd and the wrecking yard on the other side of the tracks and maybe get a new Gunns/Keele/Turnberry intersection out of it.

Making Davenport meet St Clair west of Old Weston just means another intersection and more congestion ... unless you put the Davenport extension under St Clair, connect it with Union St and the aforementioned Gunns/Keele intersection and that would be another north-south connection across St Clair. Maybe not a huge impact on congestion though.

I have no idea what he's talking about regarding the Railpath: how does he intend to make it cross the tracks north of Cariboo? Does he mean connecting it to Miller St or putting a bike lane on Osler up to Davenport?

Indeed - I think A, B could would work. C would only work if you connect the Gunns extension to Turnberry - which won't go well with the locals.

But D? That's the Davenport Road extension. Nuts - you'd never be able to connect that to St. Clair - if you were able to buy the old Cadet lands, Delta Bingo and a few row houses on Old Weston - unless you completely redid St. Clair or build an overpass. Then Davenport Road would be overwhelmed with cars from Keele/Rogers/Black Creek Drive taking the new shortcut (then bike-unfriendly Palacio would likely try to eliminate the Davenport bike lanes to make that a four-lane street again).

The Railpath from Cariboo/Osler would need an underpass or overpass across CP too. Right now, it's not a big deal to exit the Railpath at the end and go up Osler (mixed traffic, but not a busy street) to Davenport, crossing CP at grade.

 

[the lemur]

Indeed - I think A, B could would work. C would only work if you connect the Gunns extension to Turnberry - which won't go well with the locals.

The Railpath from Cariboo/Osler would need an underpass or overpass across CP too. Right now, it's not a big deal to exit the Railpath at the end and go up Osler (mixed traffic, but not a busy street) to Davenport, crossing CP at grade.

What do you think the objection to connecting Gunns to Turnberry would be based on? Traffic volume?

I'm not familiar with Palacios' record on bike issues, but what is he talking about when he mentions the Davenport lanes in connection with 'Rogers Road and Lavender bicycle paths'. AFAIK there aren't bike lanes there, nor are they designated as bikeways/bike routes ... or is that what he's proposing?

 

[W. K. Lis]

^^

You can download the PDF from this link.

 

[drum118]

The big issue is at St Clair, as it will be impossible to make a right hand turn from a road that is at 45%+ for tucks and buses. Even for cars, you still need a large turning area and not enough room to allow for it. Also, the westbound platform will be in the way.

Even the plan widening of the overpass will not resolve issues for turning right.

Having 2 intersection so close to each other will have an impact on traffic flow.

Trucks would have to use the Gunns connection only. This is the best option than try to take the road south of there to Davenport. If you want to take it to Davenport, needs to be a raise overpass with no connection to St Clair.

The old Hepburn Lands now the Bingo Hall and the old Cadets land will provide room for the extension, but will have to tear down at least 10 houses and no great lost based on condition.

Doing this will increase traffic more on Davenport and its bad now without trying to add bike lane. Bike lanes will require the removal of on street park and no great lost.

Also, how do you deal with Union & Townsley connection as they would be come dead end streets with this extension. As for Turnberry, it will see increase in traffic if extended to Gunns for people who use Rogers Rd route.

With the Gunns connection, TTC would remove the current northbound route for 41 and that service will be replace by other service and shorten travel time. 41 south would move from Weston Rd and have a shorter route and runtime.
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