turbanplanner
Active Member
I don't think doors would make a difference. He'd just be harassing people on the actual train or the platform like you seen in several other videos. I'm sure as hell though he doesn't have a presto card.
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LemonCondo
Active Member
I guess that's why countless metro systems all over the world have platform doors... not making a difference?
At the very least it would avoid interruptions of train operations.
At the very least it would avoid interruptions of train operations.
mind_the_gap
Active Member
Wasn’t sure where to post this… new Tube announcements being rolled out warning of beggars/buskers:
Announcement begins at 0:22
turbanplanner
Active Member
You're not going to drop this eh?
lead82
Senior Member
Platform doors are expensive to retrofit in old lines. The newer lines they should je standard. The new Ontario line will have them and the new REM in Montreal will as well.
Northern Light
Superstar
15M-30M per station based on 2 sets of doors. (one or two platforms)
lead82
Senior Member
Right but what’s the cost to do the whole Line 1 or 2? Each is about 30 stations so at 30 each station that would be 800-900M a line. A huge investment to make.
CapitalSeven
Senior Member
The problem seems to be that each sliding door costs the same amount of money to build as a suburban house or a two-bedroom condo despite containing a small fraction of the material. I wish someone could explain that too me.
ARG1
Senior Member
This can come from many factors, such needing to rebuild the platform itself because the platform edge can't support the weight of PSDs, or needing to retrofit ventilation systems into the stations because you can no longer rely on fresh air coming in via the tunnels (assuming you're building full height PSDs).
Northern Light
Superstar
Platform Edge Doors are currently budgeted at 2.868 Billion Dollars for the entire system - unfunded, except for Line 1, Bloor-Yonge under that station project line item.
St. George will likely be funded through a similar station expansion overhaul in the 2030s.
cplchanb
Senior Member
arent PSDs allowed for in the vaughan extension stations?
Northern Light
Superstar
To my understanding, the designs support sufficient ventilation, and in such manner, no retrofit for that is required. I'm not sure if the wiring is actually in place, but the power systems would support it.
So it should be mostly doors and tracks for those stations, I think.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The "mass" of the PSDs depends upon the type they may use.
From link.
- Platform Screen Doors (PSDs) are full-height automatic doors that are fully-fitted to the ceiling. They protect riders from piston effects (the rapid wind that occurs when the train is approaching).
- Platform Edge Doors (PEDs) are like PSDs, but do not reach all the way to the ceiling.
- Automatic Platform Gates (APGs) are shorter than PEDs and are half-height.
- Rope Platform Screen Doors (RPSDs) are a newer type of screen door that slide open vertically. Some operate like garage doors, allowing more flexibility in stopping points for the train.
rbt
Senior Member
Interesting. I've not seen these before, though I'm not sure that specific implementation would be allowed here. Lots of pinch points and you can get trapped on the wrong side of them (too far from edge), nor do they solve the litter problem which causes most TTC track-level fires.
IIRC, long ago (before Finch station ventillation upgrades) Toronto fire weighed in on half-height gates and decided they required ventilation upgrades too as they would still reduce capacity for fresh air to reach those walking down the track to an exit.