muller877
Senior Member
... simply restricting left turns at Wellington (going north on Bathurst) would solve a lot of the congestion.
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... simply restricting left turns at Wellington (going north on Bathurst) would solve a lot of the congestion.
Richard White
Senior Member
I think it may have something to do with the size of the cars. I used the Dufferin Gates to enter/exit the CNE. With all the 29s and the occasional 193 mixed with the people there was limited room for flexities. Perhaps back in the day when the PCCs were around (which were much smaller) it made sense but not anymore.
As for the 511.. there needs to be an ROW otherwise things will be constantly backed up. I used to work at Bathurst and Lakeshore, prior to that at the Automotive Building. Taking the 511 was a pain in the rear in rush hour because of all the condos. People regularly used Bathurst to get to the Spadina ramps. Even with the advance sometimes I waited 10-15 minutes to turn Southwest.
centralblue
New Member
The while that would be greatly appreciated by the Niagara Neighbourhood, that proposal would prevent a car from turning left until north of Queen. With the exception being Portugal Square which would loop you around the church and dump you back on to Bathurst heading south. My experience is that that the line up for the left turn at wellington clears fairly quick do to the light at King St being timed such that traffic on King have a longer light than those on Bathurst. The bigger problem is the southbound traffic at Fort York Blvdtraffic turnning both left and right stops everything as the left turns wait for both pedestrians and cars to clear and the right turns wait for pedestrians to clear. At 5pm on a weekday it takes on average 10mins to travel from King St to Lakeshore. An advanced green or a no left turn at Fort York would help greatly.
BMO
Senior Member
this is exactly the issue. The issue is directly south of the bridge at Bathurst/Fort York. You've got people making a left into CityPlace without an auxiliary left turn lane PLUS their competing with the northbound vehicles turning right. Both are being shoved into one lane serving a community of what 30,000 residents? There's only three accesses into that site. Preventing people form turning left into the site from Bathurst would require them to turn left at Lakeshore then another left at Dan Leckie way.
I work in the area and based on my observations it would seem as if the CityPlace community is a lot less transit and active transportation-oriented than initially envisioned. I would bet that a good chunk of people living in City Place are actually regularly driving via the Gardner to Mississauga, North York or Markham. No data to back that up, just that fact that whenever I used to visit friends in CityPlace there was literally no available parking anywhere because the residents were illegally parking in visitor spots, etc.
nfitz
Superstar
I'm counting 41 cars in service (or at least signed in) right now - must be close to a record ... we have 43 (4443 entered service on Thursday I believe)
Okay, 5 minutes later, I'm getting 39 ... perhaps something just left.
11 (of 17) on 512, 14 on 510, 7 on 509, and 7 on 514. Something had 8 on 5 minutes ago, before screaming child ...
Digging down, everything in service except 4405 (inside the barn), 4423 (ready to enter service), and probably 4400 (Meadowvale Conservation Area - no data for 6 hours). And 4443 just entered the barn - perhaps it just left service.
On the bright side, I hadn't counted them all since last weekend, and everything out of service right now, was in service when I looked last weekend.
Okay, 5 minutes later, I'm getting 39 ... perhaps something just left.
11 (of 17) on 512, 14 on 510, 7 on 509, and 7 on 514. Something had 8 on 5 minutes ago, before screaming child ...
Digging down, everything in service except 4405 (inside the barn), 4423 (ready to enter service), and probably 4400 (Meadowvale Conservation Area - no data for 6 hours). And 4443 just entered the barn - perhaps it just left service.
On the bright side, I hadn't counted them all since last weekend, and everything out of service right now, was in service when I looked last weekend.
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Steve X
Senior Member
No 4443 was on the 506 test run. I don't think it has entered service yet.
drum118
Superstar
Its northbound on Bathurst St south of St Clair for testing.
If the standard 8-10 day from receiving the car at Hillcrest to being in service, 4443 could enter service either Sunday or Monday assuming there is no issues with it. No idea since I haven't look at it until now.
4444 could be here by Friday and that will complete Aug delivery. Then we have to see if the 4 Sept cars get ship this month.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Ther is an interesting post in the comments of Steve Munro's blog. Apparently, the TTC will begin using the photographs this week on route 509. According to the poster, they will go into service with the trolly pole to Exhibition loop and then run under pantograph for the rest of the time they are in service. https://stevemunro.ca/2017/08/01/tt...eptember-3-2017/comment-page-1/#comment-54056
dowlingm
Senior Member
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
There are 5 streetcars on the 512, all of which are new, 2 on 510, and 4 on the 509. Information correct as 7:39 AM.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
drum118
Superstar
Don't think 4443 will be in service tomorrow as its is doing testing on St Clair now. Then you never know.
Have heard 512 is the most friendly route for pans with Spadina Loop ripping off a pan from a car a few weeks ago during testing.
Since this is the last weekend for 509 using poles, shot a few videos and not happy with them. Was trying out a new camera and not as good as my old one as well getting 4-8 shots of the same photo, something none of my camera have every done even in single shot. Expecting to see about 300 photos and downloaded almost 1,700.
Have heard 512 is the most friendly route for pans with Spadina Loop ripping off a pan from a car a few weeks ago during testing.
Since this is the last weekend for 509 using poles, shot a few videos and not happy with them. Was trying out a new camera and not as good as my old one as well getting 4-8 shots of the same photo, something none of my camera have every done even in single shot. Expecting to see about 300 photos and downloaded almost 1,700.
Megaton327
Senior Member
Are there any noticeable operational differences from using the pantograph? I'm aware that dewiring doesn't happen with them, but anything in terms of the passenger experience? I seem to recall a number of years ago I heard that the trolley pole couldn't handle as much power as the pantograph, so the air conditioning and possibly the acceleration on the Flexities would be limited with poles, with their full potential unlocked by using pantographs. However, I also recall having heard more recently that that proved to be a non-issue and they operate more or less identically regardless of pole vs. pantograph.
smallspy
Senior Member
The only possible discernible difference to a passenger would be the inability to dewire in intersections - which isn't nearly as common as it used to be anyways, and is even less so with the Flexities.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
nfitz
Superstar
I haven't noticed much less dewiring - some intersections seem particularly prone still.