kotsy
Senior Member
On top of that, they will be building transportation for the last mile between Exhibition Station and Ontario Place. The 509 stops here as well and will be extended to Dufferin loop to bring people in from the 29 bus too
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Natika33
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My main complaint with the move is that we could have had something new at OP & kept the OSC where it was (with some necessary repairs & renovations, of course). I advocated for no new building in the parking lot, and for the pods to be rotating exhibits curated by various museums around Ontario with an emphasis on Ontario's flora, fauna, food, culture, history, geography, etc. Or something else entirely unique, not a rehash.
rdaner
Senior Member
Is now a good time to post this?
adma
Superstar
Actually, "family friendly waterpark" wouldn't really be that much better, under the circumstances, particularly given the preexisting facilities we're dealing with. Remember what I've said before about Great Wolf Lodge as some kind of Thing That Ate Niagara Falls. Or, for that matter, what I've said about how those whose formative childhood experience of Ontario Place was in the 70s was different from those whose formative experience was in the 90s, and how the latter had very little, shall we say, Zeidler/Hough to it--somewhere en route, childhood (and, for that matter, the "familyhood" that answered to it) became, or served the purpose of, kitschified nursery entropy.
Also, it isn't like Ripley's (to take another recent-day "family friendly" Toronto establishment) is exactly embraced by dyed-in-the-wool Torontonians as an urban asset--though one can understand how it can be more of a "destination" than, say, The Well.
To use "family friendly waterpark" as an alibi here would be like using "state-of-the-art concert facility" as an alibi on behalf of the Molson Amphitheatre/Bud Stage replacing the OP Forum in the 90s--the original "Ontario Place destruction", lest we forget.
hawc
Senior Member
I remember the Zeidler/Hough Ontario Place of the 70s and 80s as some of my all time best childhood memories. Just incredible memories of my parents letting us lose there while there were over at the Ontario Place Forum watching Weather Report in concert. What an amazing time. That and early Ontario Science Centre days were magic.
Actually while I'm at it, the 80s Dinosaur exhibit at the ROM was so much more exciting from a kids perspective then the 'bones in the attic" display they have currently. Anyone remember the tar pit or the dark rooms with aquatic dinosaurs?
Actually while I'm at it, the 80s Dinosaur exhibit at the ROM was so much more exciting from a kids perspective then the 'bones in the attic" display they have currently. Anyone remember the tar pit or the dark rooms with aquatic dinosaurs?
generalcanada
Senior Member
Nostalgia aside, what is the definition of "better"
I was just saying Therme wouldnt be dealing with theese issues had they not made such an easy pr blunder
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
It's like the decision was made to move without showing exactly what the plans of the move - vis-a-vis the exhibits and the limitations of the site - will be.
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UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
The more important question is how does Therme or even our provincial government define "better" here. And how would that impact the public use of OP and it's environment and sustainability.
Keep in mind that Therme is in this to make money, everything else is a secondary consideration at best.
adma
Superstar
If you're arguing that the only alibi on behalf of the OP Forum was "nostalgia" and its replacement is "better", then you just don't get it.
Northern Light
Superstar
Ontario Place 4 All; the group opposed to the current scheme and seeking judicial review of the Ontario government's decision to exempt the current project from a full EA has won a modest battle, insofar as the court has now ruled that their litigation can proceed. The Ontario gov't had been seeking to quash their case.
www.thestar.com
From the above:
The text of the legal decision, in full, can be found here:
From the above, are the summing paragraphs that matter:
To clarify on the above, the government passed a law which it asserts, retroactively exempted the Ontario Place West Island project from an EA.
Ontario Place for all essentially argues (my reading) that the legislation the government enacted, as worded, fails to achieve the government's stated objective.
The judge did not rule on the substance of the assertion above, but rather that it had sufficient merit to go before a full panel of the court without being summarily quashed by her.
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It is unclear to me if any injunctive relief has been sought or obtained here, or will be sought.
Group fighting Ontario Place spa plan scores legal victory over Doug Ford
A group fighting construction of a spa at Ontario Place won a small legal victory over Doug Ford's government -- but the real battle is yet to come
www.thestar.com
From the above:
The text of the legal decision, in full, can be found here:
From the above, are the summing paragraphs that matter:
To clarify on the above, the government passed a law which it asserts, retroactively exempted the Ontario Place West Island project from an EA.
Ontario Place for all essentially argues (my reading) that the legislation the government enacted, as worded, fails to achieve the government's stated objective.
The judge did not rule on the substance of the assertion above, but rather that it had sufficient merit to go before a full panel of the court without being summarily quashed by her.
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It is unclear to me if any injunctive relief has been sought or obtained here, or will be sought.
generalcanada
Senior Member
This really is like a baby step in the lawsuit.Ontario Place 4 All; the group opposed to the current scheme and seeking judicial review of the Ontario government's decision to exempt the current project from a full EA has won a modest battle, insofar as the court has now ruled that their litigation can proceed. The Ontario gov't had been seeking to quash their case.
Group fighting Ontario Place spa plan scores legal victory over Doug Ford
A group fighting construction of a spa at Ontario Place won a small legal victory over Doug Ford's government -- but the real battle is yet to come
From the above:
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The text of the legal decision, in full, can be found here:
From the above, are the summing paragraphs that matter:
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To clarify on the above, the government passed a law which it asserts, retroactively exempted the Ontario Place West Island project from an EA.
Ontario Place for all essentially argues (my reading) that the legislation the government enacted, as worded, fails to achieve the government's stated objective.
The judge did not rule on the substance of the assertion above, but rather that it had sufficient merit to go before a full panel of the court without being summarily quashed by her.
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It is unclear to me if any injunctive relief has been sought or obtained here, or will be sought.
I guess the win is the quote that the judge says the arguments are not completely "frivolous" but then again the judge hasnt even ruled on the arguments themselves. Simply letting a panel of 3 rule on them
As a non-legal observer whats the point of this hearing anyway, even if a win by the government here would allow them to automatically appeal LOL
hawc
Senior Member
Is it really going to change the end result or will the government just spend time and money fighting this and we'll be in the same place when it's all over?
generalcanada
Senior Member
Honestly, OP4A has a small chance to win this. Though even if they did, the government might just use the notwithstanding on it.
I cant see Ford taking the L on this and giving up
mistersg1
Active Member
It seems for whatever reason, after catching up on this discussion nearly a year later, that Adma seems to have a certain distaste for the theme park industry and entertainment destinations in particular.
To make it clear, like it or not, no one was playing in the Forum when Wonderland built Kingswood….and wouldn’t reestablishing the prime concert venue downtown be the ultimate goal which the Molson Amphitheatre clearly did?
It should have worked easily in Ontario Place’s favour, as a concert ticket meant free admission, and there was (and still to this day) no reasonable restaurants nearby, that one was captive to spend money on the grounds of Ontario Place.
You do speak of playing in the playground at High Park attended by parents, and I’ve always asked, what makes my experience so much different when my mother and I walked to Norton Place Park here in Brampton three decades ago? I’ve been trying to read your posts as others have and you seem to think that all children just magically appreciate architecture.
To make it clear, like it or not, no one was playing in the Forum when Wonderland built Kingswood….and wouldn’t reestablishing the prime concert venue downtown be the ultimate goal which the Molson Amphitheatre clearly did?
It should have worked easily in Ontario Place’s favour, as a concert ticket meant free admission, and there was (and still to this day) no reasonable restaurants nearby, that one was captive to spend money on the grounds of Ontario Place.
You do speak of playing in the playground at High Park attended by parents, and I’ve always asked, what makes my experience so much different when my mother and I walked to Norton Place Park here in Brampton three decades ago? I’ve been trying to read your posts as others have and you seem to think that all children just magically appreciate architecture.
old boy
Senior Member
At the very least, it keeps the Ford people in the limelight for their simple crassness as if another example were necessary - bread and circuses and buck-a-beer.