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Streety McCarface said:
Even then, 400 passengers in one car still seem like a lot, especially with the seating configuration present on the train. If we're really stuffing 2400 passengers in each TR, the Yonge subway would have a theoretical capacity (that would obviously never be met) of 72K PPHPD. Seeing as that's twice of what is actually occurring during rush hour right now, the reported 1,458 passengers per train seems far more reasonable.
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Once again....different standards.

What the TTC calls "W5" loading, or "crush" loading is what the car is capable of in a pinch. The system would not be able to sustain that number for any great amount of time, but given the time they could put that many people into a car. For instance, the "W5" loading of an H4 or H5 subway car is 307 people. Source: http://www.barp.ca/builders/rapidtransit/TTC-MHSubway-Data-April1984-web-20170707.pdf. I can't find my copy of those sheets for the T1s, but from memory that number is about 355. The TRs, by virtue of having more open floor space than the T1s, can handle even more.

Dan
 
TheTigerMaster said:
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Family found to be from Saskatchewan as per little hooligan's Saskatchewan Roughriders hat.
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More left-wing, liberal transit propaganda! Downtown has enough subways! FAKE NEWS!
 
Not sure if anyone else has noticed, but soil sampling has been taking place for a little over a month now along Don Mills. The crews have been in the median of Don Mills near Overlea, and moved up to Gateway right by the Science Centre parking lot. Could this be for something other than the DRL?
 
TheTigerMaster said:
The Ontario Line, under its current design, will not ever achieve its primary design goal of relieving Yonge Line crowding. It's clearly a proposal that has prioritized political expediency over genuine engineering objectives. This proposal should've died on the whiteboard, when there are obviously far more effective solutions.

The City of Toronto will be adding another 1 Million residents in the next 20 years; now is not the time to be skimping on subway capacity. I can only hope this government will get to their senses and spend the additional $1 or $2 Billion today to ensure adequate capacity, otherwise in a decades time we'll be spending $15 Billion to fix the design flaws with this poorly designed Ontario Line.

The Relief Line North would've finally pushed Line 1 utilization under 25,000 pphpd, allowing for smooth and reliable operation of Line 1 for hundreds of thousands of daily commuters for decades to come. It would've allowed us to have an effective and reliable Line 1 extension into York Region. It would've brought much of North York and Scarbrough within 20 or 30 mins of the Downtown Core for the first time ever. The lack of capacity on the Ontario Line puts all those objectives at risk. This might be perhaps the most short sighted piece of public transit infrastructure in the city if it's ever realized.
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You joke about this but before the planners in their city hall ivory towers dropped King Street from consideration their models indicated a looping line to Eastern that swooped back to 100 Queen West would result in measurably less relief for the Yonge line than a straight shot across Eastern/King. Dropping people away from their ultimate destinations will do that. I'm not an expert but making the route even longer with more stations and adding more sharp curves to slow down trains would probably make the numbers look even worse.
 
Upcoming meetings.

Ontario Line Public Open Houses

Dear Stakeholders,

On June 4, 2019, the Ontario Government passed the "Getting Ontario Moving Act," which assigns responsibility for planning some rapid transit in Toronto to the Province of Ontario. As a result, the Relief Line project has now been replaced by the Ontario Line project. With this change, Metrolinx will lead a renewed consultation and exploration process, which will also include additional Environmental Assessment work. As this new process gets underway, we hope that you will continue to participate in engagement opportunities.

Metrolinx is hosting four public open houses to introduce the Ontario Line later this month. Fifteen potential stations are proposed between Ontario Place and Ontario Science Centre, with links to GO Transit, the Eglinton Crosstown LRT, and TTC Lines 1 and 2. The objective of the information sessions will be to provide the public with an overview of the project, the process, and information on future engagement opportunities.

The information sessions will be hosted in the last two weeks of January. The same information will be available at each event. Details of the sessions are below, and included in the attached flyer.
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Public Open Houses
Date: Thursday, January 23rd
Time: 6:30 p.m. – 8:30 p.m.
Location: Ontario Science Centre
770 Don Mills Rd, North York, ON M3C 1T3


Date: Monday, January 27th
Time: 6:30 p.m. – 8:30 p.m.
Location: Ryerson University, Tecumseh Auditorium
55 Gould St, Toronto, ON M5B 1E9

Date: Tuesday, January 28th
Time: 6:30 p.m. – 8:30 p.m.
Location: Metropolitan Community Church (Leslieville)
115 Simpson Ave, Toronto, ON M4K 1A1

Date: Wednesday, January 29th
Time: 6:30 p.m. – 8:30 p.m.
Location: Exhibition Place, Beanfield Centre, Room 201 ABC
105 Princes' Blvd, Toronto, ON M6K 3C3
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Allandale25 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1215349152151937030

Tweet links to an article already posted here but this is Matt's comment from today.
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Imagine the situation our city would be in if every neighborhood near a surface transit route and their councillor went up in arms, protesting that they “deserve” underground transit just like other parts of the city that already have it.

Following that logic, we wouldn’t have ANY streetcar routes, ANY bus routes, LINE 1 OR LINE 2 in areas like Davisville Station, Islington Station, Wilson Station, Warden Station, among others.

In other words, we wouldn’t have much of a transit system at all.

Politicians that push this ridiculousness need to be voted OUT and replaced with those that live in the real world.
 
pstogios said:
Imagine the situation our city would be in if every neighborhood near a surface transit route and their councillor went up in arms, protesting that they “deserve” underground transit just like other parts of the city that already have it.

Following that logic, we wouldn’t have ANY streetcar routes, ANY bus routes, LINE 1 OR LINE 2 in areas like Davisville Station, Islington Station, Wilson Station, Warden Station, among others.

In other words, we wouldn’t have much of a transit system at all.

Politicians that push this ridiculousness need to be voted OUT and replaced with those that live in the real world.
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They should move to Arlington, Texas. It is rated as the largest city (396,407) without public transportation. See link.
 
W. K. Lis said:
They should move to Arlington, Texas. It is rated as the largest city (396,407) without public transportation. See link.
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Home of the Texas Rangers, the Dallas Cowboys, and Six Flags over Texas (the very theme park that gave the chain its name)

FC Dallas plays in nearby Frisco.

Taxis and Uber are making a killing in Arlington, TX. Oh, and DUI is more common there.
 
DMW should be voted out for so many reasons.

Aside from that, I think a lot of the demand for underground transit (from certain groups at least) comes from "not wanting to see the poors", similarly to the objections people have to the construction of rental housing, because people stereotype renters (and transit users) as poor (even though neither stereotype is necessarily true). Ottawa has a fun version of this too, where the argument was/is "the LRT must be buried because seeing it will make tourists not want to visit". This is why there was a fight about the alignment near the Sir John A MacDonald Parkway for Phase 2 (which is why Phase 1 ended so far east at Tunney's Pasture instead of the more logical terminus of Lincoln Fields). The city wanted some of it above ground to have a view of the river, the National Capital Commission wanted it entirely buried because it would be "offputting to tourists". They ended up compromising, it's above ground for a bit, but much less than the city wanted it to be.
 
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TossYourJacket said:
DMW should be voted out for so many reasons.

Aside from that, I think a lot of the demand for underground transit (from certain groups at least) comes from "not wanting to see the poors", similarly to the objections people have to the construction of rental housing, because people stereotype renters (and transit users) as poor (even though neither stereotype is necessarily true). Ottawa has a fun version of this too, where the argument was/is "the LRT must be buried because seeing it will make tourists not want to visit". This is why there was a fight about the alignment near the Sir John A MacDonald Parkway for Phase 2. The city wanted some of it above ground to have a view of the river, the National Capital Commission wanted it entirely buried because it would be "offputting to tourists". They ended up compromising, it's above ground for a bit, but much less than the city wanted it to be.
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No doubt about that.

Many tourists who visit Toronto are surprised (in a good way) that the city has an extensive streetcar system that puts San Francisco's to shame.
 
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