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Steve Jobs' Stealthy Move

About 6,000 liver transplant operations are performed in the United States each year at more than 100 hospitals, according to the Organ Procurement and Transplant Network, but the waiting list for donors is considerably shorter in Tennessee than it is in most states

you'd think that with all that tennessee whiskey, they'd have the longest waiting list for liver transplants. ;)
 
He reportedly received his transplant in Tennessee, which has a median waiting period of just 48 days, compared to a national median wait of 306 days, according to the United Network for Organ Sharing.

Yet another indication of why he would have travelled to Tennesee. 48 Days is less than 2 months. He's been out of the public eye for several months. Again, no basis for foul play.

Thanks for pointing out that the thread title is from the article. In that case, I apologize for putting the blame on you for stirring sensationalism. The blame is in fact that of the quoted article.

Nonetheless, all this media talk about the man getting a liver transplant and speculation that he would have jumped the line is completely uncalled for and is either being used to sell papers or to affect Apple's stock.

As a shareholder, I'm angry at those targeting Jobs and invading his privacy for financial gain, yet it doesn't seem to be working as well as it did initially when it was revealed that he had pancreatic cancer.

Apple is doing a good job lately of showing the people behind the company (some of which spoke at the World Wide Developers Conference keynote speech recently) demonstrating that Apple is not about one man. There are other very talented people behind the curtain.

Nonetheless, I expect Jobs to be at work as scheduled at the end of this month and to continue leading Apple to success.

I've been to Cupertino on a few occasions and made some good friends at Apple during MacWorld conferences past. Several of them have seen Steve at One Infinite Loop, Apple's HQ several times during his official absence. According to them, he was looking healthy and energized lately. The same has been said by Steve Wozniak ("Woz", Apple's other co-founder) who made similar comments on CNBC a few weeks back. Woz is known to speak without restraint so I tend to believe what he says. I guess we'll see soon enough once Jobs makes his first public appearance in the weeks to come.
 
you'd think that with all that tennessee whiskey, they'd have the longest waiting list for liver transplants. ;)

Its actually illegal to sell liquor in the county that manufacturers Jack Daniels. Its a dry county and they have to export it. Many counties in the rural south are still dry and its illegal to sell liquor. Although in the bigger cities its not a big deal.

In certain states the laws are very local, counties and municipalities can choose to make certain activities illegal that aren't the same in other states. Tennessee is one of the states where its local. The county I grew up in had over 60,000 residents and it was illegal to buy it there as well, although they legalized restaurants that can sell it by the drink in the 1990's. My mom and dad informed me they are opening a liquor store now though, so they must have passed some ordinance last year.

And 48 days is an average wait list MetroMan, there are still people who wait years for a liver transplant even in Tennessee, I know because I've known them as I grew up there. It works on a supposed triage system, no one knows how sick Jobs' really was. I'm pretty sure he bought his way to the top based on what I've heard. The fact that you've been to MacWorld and have Apple stock sounds to me like you're an Apple fanboy, which is fine, but anytime someone of wealth jumps the queue it shouldn't be brushed off. This isn't about Mac vs PC. LOL

But again, I wish him very very well. I hope the surgery is a success.

Edit: If indeed Jobs didn't buy anyone off, and he moved to Tennessee purely because he thought he would be in a better wait position, the fact he was able to obtain a transplant in less than a few months means only one thing: Steve Jobs is GRAVELY ill. If they indeed followed up on the new triage rules for transplant patients, the only way someone could register from out of state and get transferred AND get a transplant that quick is because he was considered near death at the time of surgery.

If that is the case, so be it, but it means his medical conditions are far, far more dire than he's portraying. You cannot move and register in a given state and in two months get a transplant, it just isn't common practice. That is, unless you pay big money for it. This has nothing do with Apple or its technology, its just the facts.

Given the way he looked the last time he had a public appearance, maybe he was almost ready to die.
 
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In a rare insight into his private life, he did in fact state that his case was worse than what his physicians originally thought, which is why he took the leave of absence.

I still don't see any foundation to believe that he paid his way through the system. In fact, there's been no confirmation that he is even in Tennessee and that he did get a transplant. The only hospital that performs these transplants (there's another for kids, where he obviously was not treated) stated that there was no Steven Paul Jobs being treated at that hospital, and nobody has seen him in Tennesee.

It's all just speculation or fabrication (because no sources were quoted) and sensationalism.

Anyhow, I realize I'm contributing to a topic that I find belongs in the "News of the World", not on UrbanToronto, so I'll end my posting on this and let whomever may be interested in this type of story to pick it up from here.
 
As a shareholder...

So that explains your Apple ads...I mean posts ;).

If Jobs leaves the company could lose its way at some point. I don't see any evidence of that now, but Jobs is still around.

The iPhone is doing well, as is the iPod (which is always doing well). Their computer division is experiencing declining sales though, as their expensive systems aren't really practical in a declining economy. PC computers and laptops generally offer far more value. Netbooks are taking up a larger and larger share of the market as well. Unless they change their stance on affordable computers (""We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk"), Apple could have some tough times ahead.

The launch of Windows 7 in October, which is getting great previews, isn't going to help.

Perhaps some fresh perspective could help Apple.
 
I think this is the ultimate test for Apple to see if it could survive without Steve Jobs.

Last time Jobs left, the company took a nose dive. Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself.
 
Like my posts on Urban Toronto are going to affect Apple stock in any way :rolleyes:

I love Apple culture and its products. There's nothing wrong with that.

Well, I wasn't suggesting they do.

I've just noticed your posts on Apple products have an almost complete lack of any objectivity. They read like ad copy. The fact that you don't just like their products but have a vested interest in them helps explain why your posts read like extended print ads.
 
In a rare insight into his private life, he did in fact state that his case was worse than what his physicians originally thought, which is why he took the leave of absence.

I still don't see any foundation to believe that he paid his way through the system. In fact, there's been no confirmation that he is even in Tennessee and that he did get a transplant. The only hospital that performs these transplants (there's another for kids, where he obviously was not treated) stated that there was no Steven Paul Jobs being treated at that hospital, and nobody has seen him in Tennesee.

It's all just speculation or fabrication (because no sources were quoted) and sensationalism.

Anyhow, I realize I'm contributing to a topic that I find belongs in the "News of the World", not on UrbanToronto, so I'll end my posting on this and let whomever may be interested in this type of story to pick it up from here.

It doesn't take a lot of research to figure out he used a fake name for privacy concerns. Jobs is a deeply personal man with his health concerns (which I'm not opposed to), but its clear he got the surgery. Apple has confirmed the surgery at this point. Its not like its all speculation.

The health part of the discussion for me has nothing to do with Apple or its products. I'm more concerned about the 'jumping-the-queue' issue. The US has strict laws and a new triage system for transplants that were instituted nationally within the past decade.

Based on those rules, we know one of two things: Steve Jobs was GRAVELY ill or he bought docs off when he wasn't the sickest patient. No one gets a liver transplant in 2 months after registering from out of state. He could have theoretically gotten it in California if he was already registered, but he bought the Memphis property so that he could register in TN and have a place to live for recovery.

To me, the issue is about health fairness, I could care less about Apple's bottom line as I don't own any Apple products. I bought a Sony Walkman 8GB device that serves me well. ;)
 
Brandon, you may be surprised to learn that in Toronto, Canada, who you know, or how much money you have, may entitle you to a queue jumping opportunity. I was once in situation that based on who I knew, I got almost instant access to a service which normally has a 3-6 month wait.
 
From what I recall, one of the leading transplant hospitals (also specializing in liver and pancreas issues) is located in Memphis. I had a friend who was a patient there some time ago. I don't think it's unusual that someone might opt to go to a location where they may get the care they need in order to treat their illness.

Since the stories offer no details, who's to say that Job's life was not in danger? In addition, maybe there was no "qeue-jumping," but possibly a re-ordering based on necessity and severity.

It would appear that the actual details of what happened to Jobs are outweighed by a huge amount speculation - upon which judgments are subsequently being drawn. Otherwise, the details of his personal health situation are his own business.
 
Ok, this ends it: Confirmation from Methodist Church Hospital about the transplant and why he qualified to be treated in a short time frame:

Methodist Church Hospital:


James D. Eason, M.D., program director at Methodist University Hospital Transplant Institute and chief of transplantation confirmed today, with the patient's permission, that Steve Jobs received a liver transplant at Methodist University Hospital Transplant Institute in partnership with the University of Tennessee in Memphis.

Mr. Jobs underwent a complete transplant evaluation and was listed for transplantation for an approved indication in accordance with the Transplant Institute policies and United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS) policies.

He received a liver transplant because he was the patient with the highest MELD score (Model for End-Stage Liver Disease) of his blood type and, therefore, the sickest patient on the waiting list at the time a donor organ became available. Mr. Jobs is now recovering well and has an excellent prognosis.

The Methodist University Hospital Transplant Institute performed 120 liver transplants in 2008 making it one of the ten largest liver transplant centers in the United States. We provide transplants to patients regardless of race, sex, age, financial status, or place of residence. Our one year patient and graft survival rates are among the best in the nation and were a dominant reason in Mr. Jobs’s choice of transplant centers. We respect and protect every patient's private health information and cannot reveal any further information on the specifics of Mr. Jobs's case.

No one gets a liver transplant in 2 months after registering from out of state.

He was out of the public eye since late December: 6+ months.

Anyway, this topic is now moot based on the Hospital's statement.
 
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So the hospital just confirmed that Steve Jobs was near death, essentially. You must remember that every Apple press release and Jobs' personal release until now has been that he's fine, okay, dandy, peachy, doing well. Maybe Apple and Steve should remember that next time, and just be honest from the beginning.

I hope he has a healthy life that can be fulfilling.

BTW MetroMan, the surgery occurred in April and he didn't take medical leave until January, of which he wasn't reported to be in Memphis until later. Its obvious you are dead set on making sure his reputation is saved, regardless what happened, I'll just leave my comments as stated before: I wish him a full recovery.

I don't regret discussing the health portion, because as you know America has a lot of health care issues its dealing with right now as the system is literally falling apart at the core. Few people have access to proper health services these days and its getting exponentially worse each year.

And I still have doubts, even hospital reports can be botched if enough money is involved. This is America, and this is a Memphis hospital... Like I said, I grew up in Tennessee and have family in the medical field. I'm familiar with how things work down there, and pay-to-play is the name of the game. There are patients all over the state - people who have lived in Tennessee their entire lives and spent their entire care in that system - who have waited years for a liver and have died while waiting, so I still question how someone from out of state can fly in, in 2-3 months get on the list and get treated, then fly back out. I know you're preoccupied with Apple stock, Jobs' personal image. I'm more concerned with America's health system that is so gamed and pay-for-play its not even funny.

You must understand that 41 day 'average wait' time is an abstract number that doesn't mean a great deal, just like Canadian 'wait times' don't mean a great deal. Things run on triage in theory and supposedly in practice in any hospital system, people still wait for many months or years under an 'average' 41 day wait.

Although I can see why Tennessee could possibly have low waits: average high number of deaths via auto accidents and etc. expanding the donor pool, low popularity in the medical community. Most people don't think of medical science when they think of Tennessee, so most wouldn't seek care unless they are a local.

California's 'average' 300+ day wait is probably because there are far more people and far more out of state travel to get services in Cali's technologically renowned health services.

Methodist hospital is a high capacity transplant center, however, and I knew that since I lived blocks from the hospital in 2001-2002. I already made that call before it was 'official' and they were talking about Memphis, go back and read my posts and you'll see I already claimed it was Methodist hospital before it was official.

If you want a fairly balanced article on transplants in the United States, I hope you get a chance to read this:

http://news.health.com/2009/06/23/steven-jobs-new-liver/

It really doesn't focus only on Steve Jobs, it focuses on the system.

Page 3 has a most interesting quote:

According to the most recent estimates, the cost of a liver transplant is $519,600—a price tag that excludes roughly one-third of Americans because they don’t have sufficient insurance (or any insurance), Caplan estimates. According to data collected for UNOS, only about 5% of liver transplants are paid for out of pocket.
 
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Apple didn't lie about his condition. When he got pancreatic cancer, it was so revealed.

His doctors thought he was cured until he began dramatically losing wait. They attributed it to a hormone imbalance but further tests revealed that it was much worse. He said so himself and Apple did the best within legal confines to protect its stock: he left the company temporarily so they wouldn't have to disclose the severity of his condition. He was no longer the CEO so they had no obligation to say anything and the man could get treated in privacy.

Anyway, the above press release from the hospital concludes this speculation and in my opinion, this topic.

Now back to skyscraper porn.
 

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