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GO Transit may go beyond GTA
`Market potential' in K-W, Cambridge, Guelph
But including Peterborough too costly: Report
Sep. 7, 2006. 05:57 AM
KEVIN MCGRAN
TRANSPORTATION REPORTER

The future growth of GO Transit bus service might lie outside the Greater Toronto Area.
A report going before GO's board tomorrow proposes extending bus service beyond the reaches of the GTA — enveloping Kitchener-Waterloo, Cambridge, Guelph and Niagara Falls.
"There is a reasonable market potential for GO commuter bus service" to those areas, the report found. "There is good potential for the performance to improve as the service grows."
But the report also says bus service to Peterborough isn't warranted and warns that any future expansion shouldn't come at the expense of service currently within the GTA.
GO is considering extending bus service to Waterloo Region by introducing a park-and-ride lot near Campbellville, and at Old Highway 6, off Highway 401.
The report says GO and Greyhound might develop a joint bus terminal facility, with the idea that service would eventually be extended into Kitchener, Waterloo and Cambridge. Guelph, which has some bus service already, would get more. The train hub would be the Milton station.
Service to Waterloo Region would cost about $2.1 million a year to operate, with capital costs of $7 million for additional buses and enhanced facilities. GO forecasts ridership of about 1,200 a day, covering about 40 per cent of operating costs, and says additional carpool lanes and bus bypass lanes on highways would "aid in its attractiveness."
A new Niagara service would cost $3.5 million a year to operate, and carry about 2,800 riders a day with revenue covering about 75 per cent of the costs. It would cost about $9 million for additional buses and facilities. Buses would meet trains at the Burlington station.
But new service through Durham Region to Peterborough would be too costly to implement, the GO report said. While costs are similar — about $1.4 million a year to operate and $9 million to set up — the return would be too low, with expected ridership maxing out at 275 a day, covering only about 30 per cent of operating costs.
"GO would not normally introduce a service with low initial performance and limited future potential," the report says of Peterborough.
 
Wouldn't a bus from Niagara Falls to Union be a 90 m trip? Sounds long for a commute.
 
"The future growth of GO Transit bus service might lie outside the Greater Toronto Area."

What about growth inside the city of Toronto?

*struck by lightning from the heavens for even mentioning it*
 
"Sounds long for a commute."

No, that's about standard for some people.
 
Some people are insane.... spending 10% of your year travelling to and from work is crazy.
 
Personally, I like the idea of a GO expansion. GO has a lot of potential markets to tap into by expanding outside of the GTA, such as students (which it already has in the GTA), tourists, cottage country-goers, gamblers (to the casinos), and even cross-border shoppers/visitors (with services to Niagara, Fort Erie, Sarnia, and Windsor).

Wouldn't a bus from Niagara Falls to Union be a 90 m trip? Sounds long for a commute.

You won't believe the number of people who "commute" between Toronto and Casino Niagara on the Chinese casino buses. I've seen them on Sunday mornings... they crowd into a McDonalds at 8am for a quick breakfast, and then they wait on the streets for the buses to come pick them up and whisk them down to Niagara.
 
I think GO bus coverage within the GTA is very poor. They should concentrate here first before expanding outward. I don't mind that they expand to Waterloo region but Niagara is a little ridiculous. Also, their bus service shouldn't concentrate so much on park-and-ride lots. Their 407 bus services the Bramalea and Meadowvale GO stations located in the middle of nowhere but it can't service the nearby major transit terminals at Bramalea City Centre and Meadowvale Town Centre?
 
Because the Cabbageheads think they run a park-and-ride service, not a real transit system. Is it wrong to expect that students have money and can afford cars? (After all, they did try to axe the student discount a few years ago and are now constantly upping the student fares twice a year, instead of once for adults). At least Brampton Transit allows the 50 cent fare connection to the 407 buses at Bramalea, MT does not to Square One GO buses.
 
Yeh long commutes into TO are quite common. I commuted from hamilton for several years by GO- 2 hrs door to door- I found that very hard. But I know a guy that drives from stratford every morning- must be hell.

There used to be GO train service to Guleph at one point, I don't see why they don't give that another try. The track, trains and station already exist. Regionally the K/W-G area is much more heaviliy populated these days and quite a few people commute from there into TO and Mississauga. The GO bus service to Guelph is currently not worth taking- it takes 2.5 hrs from union. The greyhound quicklink takes 75 mins from the Guelph terminal to the FD in TO.
 
wouldn't niagra falls be a better candidate for a GO ferry? There was a report on a Hamilton-TO ferry (which doesn't really cut any distance off and shaves only about 15 minutes off a bus) while Niagra Falls/St. Cath could cut off half the trip
 
re: go expansion

I like the idea of a ferry (to st. cats maybe) but a bus from hamilton downtown to toronto union is a lot more practicle than a ferry from the industrial waterfront of hamilton to the jobless waterfront of toronto.
 
"The GO bus service to Guelph is currently not worth taking- it takes 2.5 hrs from union."

I once made the mistake of taking the GO bus home from Guelph via Yorkdale...took 5 hours.
 
I don't like the idea of Toronto-Hamilton/Niagara ferries. The failure of the Rochester Ferry has lessened the already slim chances of future Lake Ontario ferry crossings. The problem with Hamilton and St. Catherines/Niagara Falls as ferry destinations is that their downtowns are not right by the lake, but near highways which make them more accessible by bus. Ferry passengers would have to find a way to get from a remote ferry terminal to wherever they need to get to in their destination city, whereas bus/train passengers are dropped off in the city, with easier connections to local transit. Travelling by fast ferry is not exactly comfortable, unless the ferryboat has the size and amenities like the expe0nsive Spirit of Ontario. Smaller fast ferry boats (like hydrofoils) are a lot like airliners, with seat belts and barf bags at every seat.

I think if GO expands to Niagara Falls, a train service would be nice.
 
^yeah, I think the ferry probably wouldn't be as attractive as the rochester ferry, and one to hamilton probably wouldn't be very attractive (go bus already serves the 'express' market). However, if you're going all the way to niagra, the question is would you spent 40 mins cramped on a hydrofoil or 2 hours relaxing on a train? Im also assuming using inland waterways is out of question...
 

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