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Should Ontario abolish religious schools or Eliminate funding for religious schools

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In Sweden recently, people were outrage at a Islamic private religious school in Stockholm where girls were directed at the back door of a school bus while the boys use the front door. That same Islamic private religious school was publicly funded by the Swedish government.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...der-segregated-school-bus-disgusting-46564603

According to the Ontario Constitution IIRC, its says that the Ontario government can fund two separate systems, Catholic and Protestant (Penetanguishe Protestant Separate School Board). However, the word 'Protestant' is too vauge, because it comprises of about 30,000 denominations. So theoretically, any denomination that categorizes as 'Protestant' can be eligible for public funding for education. Is it best for the province of Ontario to abolish religious schools or to eliminate funding for religious schools completely?
 
Better to outlaw the misogyny and gender segregation (separate but equal cannot be acceptable). That's where the problem lies, not with the fact that it's a religious school.
However, the word 'Protestant' is too vauge, because it comprises of about 30,000 denominations. So theoretically, any denomination that categorizes as 'Protestant' can be eligible for public funding for education.
Protestant refers to those churches that were founded in protest to the Catholic church - you had to start off as part of the Catholic Church and then break away. For example, Orthodox Christians, are not protestants, since they were never part of the Roman Catholic church, so could not break away from it in protest.

BTW, many Anglicans, being Catholic, just not Roman, do not consider themselves as protestants. But that's splitting hairs a little close.
 
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Religious schools cannot be abolished; that would be unconstitutional. However, it has already been held that the state is not required to fund them - except when the constitution provides for them, as is the case in Ontario. It would be a simple matter for the province to ask for a constitutional amendment to change this, as others have done.
 
While we are at it, let's remove "God" from our national anthem. Not just that, but let's remove "sons" and "native" from the anthem as well.
I'll better you there, let's remove English and French language from the anthem, being the lingo of the imperialists who stole the native land you refer to.
 
Hell yeah.

Kathleen Wynne should proceed in amalgamating the public and separate systems and creating one secular system. What has she got to lose at this point?
She's still going to win. The Cons couldn't beat her last time with the triple play of eHealth, Ornge and has plants. What's different now?
 
I firmly believe that everybody in the province should be receiving the same education.

I worry that not just Catholic schools, but also French Immersion schools are beginning to pull away from the public school system in quality. Wealthier Ontarians are increasingly placing their kids in these schools and patronizing them with additional funding, support and parental supported extra-curriculars. It concerns me that we might be leading to a two-tier system.

Though I do find it curious if fast-forward twenty years and the children of the upper 5% in Ontario might be bilingual.
 
Hell yeah.

Kathleen Wynne should proceed in amalgamating the public and separate systems and creating one secular system. What has she got to lose at this point?
The same thing that has always stifled egalitarianism in this province: The Catholic vote. Ironically, Greg Sorbora...best I quote:
Prominent Catholic politician calls for end to Catholic school system
By Michael Swan, The Catholic Register
  • November 19, 2014
TORONTO - It’s time for Ontario to ditch publicly funded, separate Catholic education, retired Ontario cabinet minister and prominent Italian and Catholic politician Greg Sorbara claims in five bombshell paragraphs toward the end of his new 208-page political memoir.

“I have no illusions about how toxic a political issue this is: I grew up in the Catholic tradition; at 16 I was determined to become a Catholic priest,” Sorbara writes in The Battlefield of Ontario Politics, An Autobiography.

The dual Catholic and public systems were right for 1867, but are out of step with the Ontario of today, Sorbara told The Catholic Register.

“It’s no longer defensible in a pluralistic society,” said the former finance minister under Dalton McGuinty. “As I say in the book, it has served us very well. But I just think it’s time to revisit that question.”

Now retired from the battlefield after two stints in government, the 68-year-old Sorbara claims he only wants to open up the debate and put issues on the table for the next generation of political leaders.

“Isn’t it amazing that Greg Sorbara, after 12 years in government, would come out with that now and not the year we talked about faith-based funding under John Tory?” asked Progressive Conservative education critic Garfield Dunlop. “Now he’s going to be the saviour of secular society? Give me a break.”

Dunlop thinks the time is not right to break down a working education system and replace it with something else.

“I’m a person who believes in the 72-board system. I believe it functions well,” he said. “It’s part of our heritage, our culture. In my opinion it’s not negotiable.”

Neither are the current Liberals enthusiastic about another debate over Catholic education.

“Our government remains committed to working with all of our publicly funded schools to build an excellent education system,” said Education Minister Liz Sandals’ office in an e-mail to The Catholic Register. “Working with our Catholic, public, English and French partners, we have built an education system that is among the best in the world. We will continue to respect our constitutional obligations with respect to Catholic schools and look forward to working with our Catholic school partners to further improve student achievement.”

The 2007 proposal by former PC leader Tory to extend full funding to a wider variety of independent religious schools — Jewish, Muslim, Reformed Christian and others — was never workable, said Sorbara.

“As a political strategist I thought it was a mistake on his (Tory’s) part. I thought it was a system that was entirely unworkable,” Sorbara said.

Sorbara piloted the 2007 provincial Liberal campaign that defeated Tory’s Progressive Conservatives largely on the religious education issue.

“The voters soundly rejected that,” said Sorbara. “Besides that, to divide up a public education system and have many systems for whoever would want their own education system I think would create a much weaker public education system and a much more expensive one as well.”

Sorbara is a product of Toronto’s St. Michael’s College School. He and his wife Kate enrolled their children in a private Waldorf school where high school fees run just shy of $20,000 per year. Reducing public education to a one-size-fits-all, purely secular system won’t cause better-off families to abandon public education for the greater religious and educational choice of private schools, said Sorbara.

As long as the public system has strong government support, public education in Ontario won’t become a ghetto for poor students in which the rich have no stake, he said.

“I think you have to be sure that you advocate for a strong public system,” he said. “During the McGuinty years, we made real improvements in the quality of education right across the board — including higher standards in private education.”
http://www.catholicregister.org/ite...ician-calls-for-end-to-catholic-school-system

Note that Sorbara is the one in the Party most vociferous in asking that Wynne step down to save the election for the Libs. I agree with him on both counts.
 
The only way to reconsider this issue, from a political perspective, is if all three major parties agree to the idea of a referendum; and agree the results are binding.

In such a scenario it would be likely that board amalgamation would occur and no one party would pay an undue political price.

But w/o such political cover, no party has shown any appetite to tackle the issue.

I don't anticipate that changing anytime soon.
 
Religious schools cannot be abolished; that would be unconstitutional. However, it has already been held that the state is not required to fund them - except when the constitution provides for them, as is the case in Ontario. It would be a simple matter for the province to ask for a constitutional amendment to change this, as others have done.
Should be done? Absolutely. Simple matter? "Simple Matter" and "Constitutional Change" are mutually exclusive.
 
I firmly believe that everybody in the province should be receiving the same education.

I worry that not just Catholic schools, but also French Immersion schools are beginning to pull away from the public school system in quality. Wealthier Ontarians are increasingly placing their kids in these schools and patronizing them with additional funding, support and parental supported extra-curriculars. It concerns me that we might be leading to a two-tier system.
That's me. We sent our kids to FI to get away from the disruptive and disinterested learners, and to immerse our kids with like-minded, like-motivated classmates.

My kids and their successfully learning classmates are not some tool to be used by the government's social engineers to help slower kids catch or keep up. We're not wealthy Ontarians as you suggest, but are just utilising the programs available to anyone with the initiative.

When I lived in New Brunswick there was a move to cancel early French Immersion because opponents (IMO, rightfully) believed the program was used by parents to evade the inclusion model. I see from this article that the issue is still on the radar there http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...classroom-composition-new-brunswick-1.3841360
 
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I'm not sure why the OP is pussy-footing around the issue. It's ok to say you want to merge the Catholic system with the public system.

In 2017 it's not necessary to have 2 different systems anymore. And I am Catholic.

That being said there is zero political will in this province to touch this issue. Especially after what happened to John Tory.

I'm not sure why Wynne's name came up. The Liberals won't be the ones driving this if it ever happens. It will probably come from Conservatives.

But I can't foresee this happening anytime soon. Nobody wants to lose Italian, Portuguese or Filipino votes.
 
Should be done? Absolutely. Simple matter? "Simple Matter" and "Constitutional Change" are mutually exclusive.

Normally yes, but not in this case, because this change would concern only Ontario. Only the legislature and Parliament would have to approve it. Québec obtained such an amendment years ago so its school boards would be divided according to language instead of religion.
 

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