Juan_Lennon416
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...so if you do not like Ford, who are you people voting for?
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Rob Ford - Why the Supervillian?
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Personally, I haven't decided yet. But it won't be Ford.
Juan_Lennon416
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Better not be Furious George either. Toronto does not need the George-Dalton gang. Is Pantalone really that bad?
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W. K. Lis
Superstar
Remember the Al Gore, George W. Bush, and Ralph Nader US presidential elections of 2000? The vote was split allowing the candidate most people did not want in.
js97
Senior Member
Pantalone is the equivelent of 'Miller - lite',.
if you are a fan of the last 8 years of David Miller, then Pantalone is your guy.
scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
The 'Miller vote' might clean up in wards like 18, but some suburban wards like 23 and 42 have literally twice as many people as ward 18. Turnout in those [and, generally, all large] wards is abysmal, though, so the total vote count is eerily similar across the 416, no matter how large the actual voter base is in each ward. This doesn't help Rob Ford. One would think that aging suburban areas with a high proportion of new Canadians eager to exercise their civic muscles would see not-pathetic turnout, but that's not what happens. I wonder if poll locations help downtown areas and hurt suburban areas...I wouldn't be surprised if they do.
Still, 30/25/15/15/15 is enough to win handily, or even slightly lower percentages for the top 2 with more other/fringe votes, so it's not like any 'regional' candidates are out of it if they get lame numbers in other parts of the city. That 5% would give the same margin of victory as Toronto first two mayors, Lastman and Miller. Can Rob Ford get 30%? I don't think so, but 20% seems not unreasonable. Locking up one or two wards (which Ford and Pantalone and perhaps even Smitherman can do) plus getting barely 2500 votes in every ward almost guarantees a candidate about 20%. Rossi and Thomson need more like 3000 votes in every ward to make a run for it. These minimums sure sounds easy enough and low enough and attainable thanks to low turnout, but I can see most undecideds not bothering with these candidates, so there won't be as many votes up for grabs as it seems and 3000 per ward will be far from a sure thing. A rising tide lifts Rob Ford, though, since the more votes gained by everybody, the fewer votes are needed by anybody to actually win the thing.
Still, 30/25/15/15/15 is enough to win handily, or even slightly lower percentages for the top 2 with more other/fringe votes, so it's not like any 'regional' candidates are out of it if they get lame numbers in other parts of the city. That 5% would give the same margin of victory as Toronto first two mayors, Lastman and Miller. Can Rob Ford get 30%? I don't think so, but 20% seems not unreasonable. Locking up one or two wards (which Ford and Pantalone and perhaps even Smitherman can do) plus getting barely 2500 votes in every ward almost guarantees a candidate about 20%. Rossi and Thomson need more like 3000 votes in every ward to make a run for it. These minimums sure sounds easy enough and low enough and attainable thanks to low turnout, but I can see most undecideds not bothering with these candidates, so there won't be as many votes up for grabs as it seems and 3000 per ward will be far from a sure thing. A rising tide lifts Rob Ford, though, since the more votes gained by everybody, the fewer votes are needed by anybody to actually win the thing.
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gristle
Senior Member
Maybe a former provincial cabinet minister is exactly what we need. Given Smitherman's connections inside that government, and knowledge of what issues are on the table, it might be a huge asset for the city.
GenerationW
Senior Member
Well there you have it -- all the WASPS who hate fun are voting for Ford.
kettal
Banned
How many people in these wards are citizens eligible to vote?
scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
You seem very unfamiliar with this city.
kettal
Banned
I live in Thunder Bay. Never been to Toronto, but I read about all the murders in the Globe and Mail. I heard there's lots of chinese folks there too.
adma
Superstar
Or rather, the so-called WASPy types who are more blue-collar, white-trashy in outlook. Hockey dads who feel they are being sneered at, y'know. It isn't that they hate fun; it's that they're rather define "fun" in their own terms than have their tax dollars going into some cultural-propaganda definition of "fun". Derringer dads and their Dean Blundell offspring, as opposed to wussy Matt Galloway types.
For that matter, I'd even question how monolithically "ugly old white Toronto" the Ford constituency is, esp. given his ward demographics--I'm supposing that Ford's pitch also strikes a positive note among a surprisingly large "new Canadian" contingent. That is, those who came to Canada/Toronto under the assumption that it was a place of freedom, a relief from whatever Communist or dictatorial or corrupt or excessively bureaucratic/proscriptive regimes they came from--only to be rudely surprised by its *not* being so "free" as they assumed. To them, Boss Ford, Fighter of Municipal Communism, is just the thing to ensure that it remains the Canada/Toronto of their dreams...
GenerationW
Senior Member
Oh how I detest Derringer!
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Somehow, I don't think Rob Ford would be doing what the Mayor of Vancouver does at the 2:34 point in this video:
[video=youtube;Nkg9szoJ2Tc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkg9szoJ2Tc[/video]
And Vancouver is listed as the best city in Canada. I can see why, no Rob Ford type as a mayor.
[video=youtube;Nkg9szoJ2Tc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkg9szoJ2Tc[/video]
And Vancouver is listed as the best city in Canada. I can see why, no Rob Ford type as a mayor.
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King of Kensington
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I thought WASP excluded the downscale anglos and really means the well-off "proper" people of English ancestry...you know people like John Tory, John Lindsay, etc. I don't think of Kentucky coalminers or Newfoundland fishermen when I hear the word "WASP."
And isn't Ford of Irish descent?