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Roads: Ontario/GTA Highways Discussion

I was heading west on Sunday afternoon around 2 pm and it took me 15 minutes just to get out of Mississauga along the 401 (coming from Mississauga Rd). 401 traffic is insane. It's incomprehensible to me that the 401 is so narrow in this stretch and that the expansion is so far off (the portion up to the Credit River is already under construction, why not accelerate the rest?)
The 401 was very busy, both directions, all the way out to Cambridge and possibly beyond Sunday morning. I got off at Cambridge, GO bus driver mentioned "Uni students going back in two weeks, the traffic to the dorms has started already". Yikes...
 
the traffic levels on the 401 between Kitchener and Toronto are extremely high for a regional highway. The plan is collector express to Milton and 10 lanes (8+2HOV) to Highway 8. The collector express part out to Milton is going to get built very soon, and the 10 lane part is funded through Cambridge and where highway 6 through runs with the 401. I expect the rest will start soon as well.

The western part of the GGH freeway network is going to unrecognizable in 10 years. Between the 401 widening, Highway 6 bypass of Morriston, upgrades to the Hanlon Parkway, etc, there is a ton of money going into it.
 
This might be kind of off topic, but I just realized something funny in the 2016 York Region Transportation Master Plan. It might not be that funny when it comes to a midblock crossing over Highway 400 between Major Mackenzie Drive and Teston Road, but that the names of the roads it connects are America Avenue and Canada Drive. :cool:
 
Completion date for new Highway 7 now 'beyond 2021'
Mayor wishes province 'would just say they are going to do something, then do it'
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about 22 hours ago by: Tony Saxon
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New Highway 7 route
Mayor Cam Guthrie is frustrated and disappointed after the province revealed that the completion date for a new Highway 7 between Guelph and Kitchener has been pushed back again.

According to the Ministry of Transportation’s Southern Highways Program 2017-2021, the target completion date for a new Highway 7 is now planned for “beyond 2021.”

It is the fifth consecutive year that the target completion date of the project - which was initially approved in 2007 - has been extended.

“My wish is that the government would just say they are going to do something then do it,” said Guthrie, who found out about the delays through media reports Thursday morning.

“We are not seeing the progress that this region needs,” Guthrie said. “These delays hurt the region.”

Guthrie was asked when he thought a new Highway 7 was going to be built: “Fifteen years ago, and you can quote me on that,” he replied.

More recently he said in 2014 he had talks with provincial officials on the issue.

“I recall being told in 2014 that it was five to six years out,” Guthrie said. “I thought it was going to be completed in the 2020-2021 range.”

The Mayor said that the safety factor alone should be impetus for the province to get the project done, in addition to the need to move people, services and goods between the two cities.

“Why the delays?” he asked.

Guelph MPP Liz Sandals said the project is not being delayed.

"I'm quite pleased. I see serious progress being made," said Sandals, adding that the estimate of the actual construction was always three to four years and that is currently happening, putting a completion date of around 2021.

"Major construction has begun and we will see major construction taking place until the project is complete," Sandals said. "We're moving forward and moving forward in a major way."

Minister of Transportation Steven Del Duca issued the following statement:

“Our government continues to move forward on the new Highway 7 between Kitchener and Guelph using a three phase approach.

Phase 1 of new Highway 7 began in 2015 when the Guelph Street overpass was widened to accommodate the future interchange with Highway 85. The Ministry of Transportation (MTO) has also initiated Phase 2 of new Highway 7 with the commencement of detailed design of two new bridges crossing the Grand River.

While construction is progressing, MTO continues environmental field work, detailed soil and foundations investigations and other engineering work for Phase 3, to complete the new Highway 7.

Our government now owns all of the property needed for the new highway and will continue to consult with the public and Indigenous peoples as the project moves forward.

We remain committed to keeping people and goods moving across the Guelph and Waterloo regions, and will continue to provide updates on the progress being made on the new Highway 7.”

The project file shows that environmental assessments for the project were completed in 2007. Public design input was garnered in 2011. Preliminary design was completed in 2014 and some initial work, including the widening of an overpass in Kitchener to accommodate connection to Highway 86, began in 2015.

Plans for a new four-lane divided highway running just north of the current Highway 7 have been in the works for almost 30 years.

Properties have been purchased to make way for the highway and some preliminary work has and is being done, but the latest list of provincial highway projects shows that the actual building of a new Highway 7 is several years away.

The Mayor said a lot of businesses and other property owners were affected by the appropriation of property for the project.

Guthrie said there are additional frustrations related to delays on a municipal level, notably that the city has to plan its own capital infrastructure plans that relate to the new highway.

“Delays on the provincial side of it definitely effect our efficiencies,” he said.
https://www.guelphtoday.com/local-news/completion-date-for-new-highway-7-now-beyond-2021-711715
 
Proof? I think the Dan Ryan expressway in Chicago does compare with the 401 and 427? The 427 doesn't really get congested that often compared with the 401.

Here's some proof.

MTO volume counts, as of 2016
http://www.raqsa.mto.gov.on.ca/techpubs/TrafficVolumes.nsf/fa027808647879788525708a004b5df8/f51986ea499a13b08525745f006dd30b/$FILE/Provincial Highways Traffic Volumes 2016 AADT Only.pdf

401's highest count is 416,500 between Highway 400 and Weston Road

427's highest count is 400,700 between Burnhampopre and Rathburn roads.

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For the USA, here's some 300,000+ roads

Source is from 2012
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstatebrief2012/

I-405 in LA - 377,500

I-75 / I-85 in Atlanta (Downtown Connector) - 358,390

I-90 / I-94 in Chicago (Dan Ryan Expressway) - 309,700

I-10 in Houston - 305,630

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It's hard to claim the 401 as the busiest on Earth, but based on the AADT (Average Annual Daily Traffic) counts, only the 401 and 427 have volumes over 400,000 in Canada / USA.

Other countries may publish their information differently, or not at all.
 
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It's hard to claim the 401 as the busiest on Earth, but based on the AADT (Average Annual Daily Traffic) counts, only the 401 and 427 have volumes over 400,000 in Canada / USA.

Other countries may publish their information differently, or not at all.

AADT can either be for an entire road or a point on a road (the later being the more precise definition)

It sounds like Ontario is doing the point on a road test. However, it is unclear how the US computes it for an entire highway for the I-405 in LA. Do they have a weighted average at various points along the road? Or a single point (which may or may not be the busiest)?

Either way it's crazy that the GTA west of old Toronto boundaries has both pinch points and some of the busiest traffic.
 
Single point.

The 401 is fairly likely to be the worlds busiest. There are only a handful of 10+ lane highways outside of North America. It's a small list so it is fairly easy to whittle down which one is the busiest, and that is generally accepted to be the 401.
 
On the note, has there been any plans for the 404/401 interchange for the next 20 years? its getting more congested every year and the problem appears to have been continuously avoided from any discussion.
there is no transit magic bullet for this unless we get a whole commuter network running north/soouth
 
China generally doesn't have roads over 8 lanes - in dense areas they go with multiple highways instead of one mega highway.

No plans for the 404/401. They are just finishing up a rehabilitation program on the whole interchange.


I suspect the 401 will lose the title in the next few years to some highways in Texas - some of the traffic growth rates and planned expansion projects mean it will likely be surpassed soon. Houston is planning to rebuild its downtown freeway loop and shift traffic onto a single part that will be something like 22 lanes wide - I could see it surpassing 500,000 AADT at some point if it ends up happening.
 
China generally doesn't have roads over 8 lanes - in dense areas they go with multiple highways instead of one mega highway.

No plans for the 404/401. They are just finishing up a rehabilitation program on the whole interchange.


I suspect the 401 will lose the title in the next few years to some highways in Texas - some of the traffic growth rates and planned expansion projects mean it will likely be surpassed soon. Houston is planning to rebuild its downtown freeway loop and shift traffic onto a single part that will be something like 22 lanes wide - I could see it surpassing 500,000 AADT at some point if it ends up happening.

I don't think they would rebuild the whole 401/404 interchange. It would be too expensive, and hard to build. It will worsen traffic jams too.

The Hwy 404/Hwy 401/DVP interchange is only a small part of a large problem. The interchange REDUCES lanes instead of increasing lanes. The main problem is the number of lanes on the DVP, which currently goes from 9 lanes (4+5) to 6 lanes almost instantly. Another problem is the ramps from Hwy 404 to DVP only have 4 lanes (2+2). The Hwy 404 and DVP ROWs have to be widened to accommodate for the extra lanes, which requires land.
 
The Hwy 404/Hwy 401/DVP interchange is only a small part of a large problem. The interchange REDUCES lanes instead of increasing lanes. The main problem is the number of lanes on the DVP, which currently goes from 9 lanes (4+5) to 6 lanes almost instantly. Another problem is the ramps from Hwy 404 to DVP only have 4 lanes (2+2). The Hwy 404 and DVP ROWs have to be widened to accommodate for the extra lanes, which requires land.

True, but it needs to be done.

I mused on this in the thread previously, but one big improvement they could make would be to make the southbound HOV lane continue through the interchange. Currently the HOV lane merges into a regular lane; instead, that regular lane should merge into the adjacent regular lane, and the HOV lane should continue at least to where the 401 merges in (probably impossible to continue any further since that merge comes in from the left)--this would markedly improve travel times for HOV lane vehicles.

A bigger improvement they could make to the interchange that wouldn't require acquiring extra land would be to completely eliminate the collector lane south of Sheppard that re-merges back into the 404/DVP. The removal of that lane would allow for there to be 3 southbound lanes through the interchange, i.e. 2 regular lanes plus the HOV lane, vs. 2 regular or 1 regular+1 HOV. Unfortunately this would make it impossible for cars to get on at Sheppard to head southbound, but IMO that's a very small price to pay given the much, much, much larger volume of traffic going through south that gets crunched there for no good reason.
 
China generally doesn't have roads over 8 lanes - in dense areas they go with multiple highways instead of one mega highway.

No plans for the 404/401. They are just finishing up a rehabilitation program on the whole interchange.


I suspect the 401 will lose the title in the next few years to some highways in Texas - some of the traffic growth rates and planned expansion projects mean it will likely be surpassed soon. Houston is planning to rebuild its downtown freeway loop and shift traffic onto a single part that will be something like 22 lanes wide - I could see it surpassing 500,000 AADT at some point if it ends up happening.
And Harvey won't change that?
 
There's finally been some progress on the bridge work on the 401 between Guelph Line and 25 in Milton. The EB lanes have now shifted to the centre while they start working on the south side of the highway.
 

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