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OLG Toronto/GTA casino proposal (where to put it?)

But why/how would it be the BEST, of all possible solutions? Make an argument, not just an assertion.

@people who think people shouldn't "go without" gambling just because some people get addicted to it - You've gone without gambling in Toronto for ages. Life went on, you found other ways to entertain yourselves. You can carry on doing that. It's not a hardship.

How about start with you first when you said there are other possible solutions? BTW, I am talking about CNE AND Ontario Place, not just CNE.

To me, the yearly EX is dead (or in life support). OP is already dead. It's a big area that requires some big project to make good use of that area. Please no more parks and condos. I have nothing against parks, but we have enough. That prime location belongs to an "attraction". Either a Casino, or something big. I can't think of anything else, so I'm fine with a Casino there.

Besides, when we talk about Casino, it's NOT just a Casino. There will be concert theater there, conference area, hotel, restaurants etc. As I mentioned, I want a big one though. Either go big or go home. No half-ass job. Toronto already has too many "over-promising" yet "under-whelming result" projects.
 
I can't think of anything else

OK, but that doesn't make a casino a good idea, and it really undermines it as "best" option. And just because some casino operators are interested doesn't mean we have to decide RIGHT NOW what to do with that land. They don't set the agenda for the city.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
Of course, but the MTCC part of the business will be negatively affected, plus the synergistic effect it provides to any office and residential development. Oxford is taking a very, very low key approach and basically it isn't the end of their world on record.
AoD

Agreed on that assessment, then. Extremely low key, aren't they? Almost lackadaisical, I'd say. Curious.

In any case, although I'm hardly gung-ho for a casino I'm not entirely dead set against one either. The Oxford proposal looks more striking than the rather bland drawings representing the one for the Ex. I know it's early days yet and renderings can be a far cry from what eventually gets built, but given the evidence thus far I prefer the downtown proposal.
 
With low-life scum like Nick Kouvalis getting involved?

If this was such a great idea, MGM wouldn't be trying to buy off everyone in the city. I was neutral on the idea, until it becomes evident just how dirty this is.
 
Wynne says there would be no special deal for a Toronto casino: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ss1&utm_source=dlvr.it_tor&utm_medium=twitter
The Ontario government has stipulated that the same funding formula for casinos will be used everywhere, derailing a lottery corporation arrangement that was attacked for appearing to treat Toronto preferentially.

Premier Kathleen Wynne is adamant that she would not approve special terms for Toronto in the event city councillors approve a casino, a government official told The Globe and Mail on Sunday. “The hosting formula for Toronto will be the same as the one for other communities,” the official said.

Controversy has swirled around the funding for Toronto since last week, when The Globe reported that the Crown-owned Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corp. would give the city fees for hosting a casino that are more than double those offered to other municipalities.

The mayors of Ottawa, Windsor and Niagara Falls have complained, saying they want the same deal for their cities.

Those cities and their surrounding small communities are strategically important for Ms. Wynne as she attempts to repair the damaged Liberal brand in rural Ontario.

Anger over wind turbines coupled with frustration from farmers who felt their concerns were ignored by the government cost the Liberals seats in the 2011 provincial election. The Liberals face a by-election race later this year in Windsor-Tecumseh to fill the seat vacated by former finance minister Dwight Duncan.

OLG’s CEO Rod Phillips last week said his agency is promising Toronto higher hosting fees in recognition of the fact that a casino downtown would be a much more ambitious venture than anywhere else in the province. He said Toronto would receive fees based on the amount of capital invested in a gambling complex and the economic benefits it generated, including job creation. Every other municipality would receive fees based on a percentage of net revenues.

Mr. Phillips was unavailable for comment on Sunday. But an OLG spokesman released a statement that appeared to contradict the organization’s earlier position. “There is no change of policy and no special deal offered to anyone,” the statement read. “OLG has taken a consistent approach to municipal hosting fees since (plans to expand the province’s casino operations) launched a year ago.”

OLG officials have said Toronto would rake in anywhere from $50-million to $100-million in hosting fees, depending on what kind of casino is built and where it is located. A report prepared by Ernst & Young last fall said a casino in Toronto could generate up to $1.4-billion in annual revenue.

Using that revenue projection, Toronto would receive hosting fees of $20-million a year under the standard revenue-based formula, according to estimates done by an industry official. The formula is based on a sliding scale of net revenues for casino and slot operators.

The statement from the government clarifies Ms. Wynne’s position on the matter. In a statement on Friday, she said there will be no “special deal” for Toronto. However, she also appeared to support the stance taken by OLG by saying the hosting fee for Toronto would reflect the size of the gambling complex that is possible.

“If the same capital investment and job potential are possible elsewhere, the same hosting fees would be generated,” she said in her earlier statement.

Sources said there is a different attitude to a Toronto casino under Ms. Wynne, who is reluctant to do anything that would alienate other communities, especially those in rural Ontario. The provincial government has final authority on the matter.

Mr. Duncan and OLG chairman Paul Godfrey were very much of one mind in pushing for a casino in Toronto. Mr. Duncan, who resigned last month, talked about a “golden mile” along the city’s waterfront.
 
OK, but that doesn't make a casino a good idea, and it really undermines it as "best" option. And just because some casino operators are interested doesn't mean we have to decide RIGHT NOW what to do with that land. They don't set the agenda for the city.

You do realize with mentality like that, NOTHING gets built besides condos, condos, condos in Toronto right?
 
Totally man, screw this critical thinking nonsense, let's build a monorail, a ferris wheel, a casino, and an NFL stadium. YEAAH!!1!

If only Toronto had had the vision to follow through with its most ambitious profit-driven projects ever we'd all live in a much better city.

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Well, and offices, offices, offices. And hospitals, schools, Mars, parks...

Yeah, basically everything but the stuff Springfield built. Lots of interesting possibilities for this city. Gambling, which is going to draw money primarily from the dumbest and poorest of our community leaving our overburdened social services to mend the wounds, is not one. Toronto is a healthy city, it doesn't need to turn to the Sheldon Adelsons of the world.
 
You do realize with mentality like that, NOTHING gets built besides condos, condos, condos in Toronto right?

and LRT, subways, aquarium..

I would take condos over a damn casino anyday.

Toronto needs a casino like it needs an expressway down Spadina avenue.
 
You do realize with mentality like that, NOTHING gets built besides condos, condos, condos in Toronto right?

Uh, take a look around. LOTS of things have been built in Toronto...but still no casino...funny, it's like there is no relationship whatsoever between building a casino and other developments across the city.
 

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