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Mississauga: Ninth Line Lands redevelopment

Up isn't the only solution. there are low rise and townhouse options as well but the city is out of land. What is your "20th century" solution?
Preserving farmland and woodlands across the 905 from development. Dense, transit-oriented development focused along rail lines, not necessarily expressways, doubling the density of the Yellowbelt within the 416 and older 905 suburbs, the redevelopment of shopping centres across the region as multi-use developments with significant housing.

Building new low density tract subdivisions should be very difficult to do within the GTA.

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Preserving farmland and woodlands across the 905 from development. Dense, transit-oriented development focused along rail lines, not necessarily expressways, doubling the density of the Yellowbelt within the 416 and older 905 suburbs, the redevelopment of shopping centres across the region as multi-use developments with significant housing.

Building new low density tract subdivisions should be very difficult to do within the GTA.

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It is kind of hard to merely double the density of yellow-belt, unless you mean adding basement units, etc. A redevelopment often needs to be at least 4x denser than what it is replacing to be worthwhile, unless the property is already knock-down ready--like replacing two or three deep-lot SFHs with a perpendicular set of townhouses. A developer would need to be building 10 units to make it worthwhile knocking down the 2-3 detached homes.
 
It is kind of hard to merely double the density of yellow-belt, unless you mean adding basement units, etc. A redevelopment often needs to be at least 4x denser than what it is replacing to be worthwhile, unless the property is already knock-down ready--like replacing two or three deep-lot SFHs with a perpendicular set of townhouses. A developer would need to be building 10 units to make it worthwhile knocking down the 2-3 detached homes.
I'm not saying "double the density by rebuilding on every single lot in the Yellowbelt." I'm saying change the rules so that greater densities are possible in the Yellowbelt, so that over coming years, the density doubles overall within the area. Many single family properties would no doubt remain untouched, but allowing townhome blocks to be built, missing middle buildings to go in, granny flats to go in (or garden flats if you prefer that term), etc., would go a long way to easing all sorts of development pressure.

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The bit that @Big Daddy is referring to is the strip between Ninth Line and the 407 as being the last unbuilt-up "remnant" of Mississauga. That part is Mississauga now (it used to be part of Milton). The rest, the area that he outlined in red, is not owned by Mississauga, it is Milton and Oakville. He's saying (for some unknown reason) that Mississauga should have it.

Meanwhile, Oakville is expanding its urban area north of Dundas up towards Burnhamthorpe (showing up as Regional Road 27 on the map).

If we have to continue to plough under farmland, it would make more sense to lay it out along the south side of the 401, through which a GO line already runs, and which could have one more station added to it that could become the centre of a new, transit-oriented town centre. East Milton Staton and New Town, anyone?

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Thanks for the info but I already know all of this. By just going on Google Earth and tapping the city's name and the city's boundary lines pop up in red. If anything Milton should have moved westwards first on both sides of the 401 corridor first. Bounded from Derry rd to 5 side road quadrants moving towards to Mississauga. Keeping the land towards the Escarpment free of development as long as it can. And develope around the 401 and 407 corridors first .
 
I think the city should make sure five drive in remains in business forever in case of future pandemics.
 
Why would Mississauga need to annex? Milton can develop that just as well.

I think it would be a neat idea to drop a new GO station on the Milton line (ownership issues notwithstanding) between Milton and Lisgar stations, and use it as the hub of some transit oriented low-car greenfield developments. Maybe even create a spur heading south off the Milton line running parallel between Eighth Line and Trafalgar and west between Milton and the 407. Much of this land is planned for greenfield development. It would be great if we did it in a more transit-oriented way, with GO RER service forming the backbone (hopefully also getting the upgrade to Milton line through Mississauga.

Something like Houten, but it could support perhaps more midrise to help compensate for the larger unit expectations we can have Canada

A station at Trafalgar in Hornby was studied in the long list of GO new stations. At that point, it didn’t make sense to add it before the Milton Line is RER’d. On your rail spur idea, interestingly a rail line exists parallel to the 407 from the Milton Line down to the east-west southern part of the 407. It used to serve the hydro facility, but is now used to store cars for CP.
 
…and if you're starting afresh, why wouldn't you properly protect the bike lanes? Argh!

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Ten years ago cyclists would have killed to have simple painted bike lanes. Now that they have them, they complain they're not safe enough. Paranoia grows in lockstep with increases in safety.
 
Ten years ago cyclists would have killed to have simple painted bike lanes. Now that they have them, they complain they're not safe enough. Paranoia grows in lockstep with increases in safety.
This is perhaps a function of increased safety expanding the definition of 'cyclists'. In the 'share the road/sharrows' era, you only get the daredevils or 'Strong and Fearless' representing about 4% of the population. Then you get painted bike lanes, and the 'Enthused but confident' start riding, and at 9% of the population they dwarf the numbers of the bicycle couriers and adrenaline junkies. Then, as we start to get a taste of the what good cycling infrastructure looks like (basic protected cycle lanes, not even protected intersections) the 'interested but concerned' that represents 56% of the population uses and enjoys those segments that are acceptable quality, and their dramatically larger numbers bring political pressure to bear to connect the disparate segments of acceptable bicycle infrastructure together. That 'cyclists' are demanding more and more adequate infrastructure is not surprising. But these are mostly just 'people who ride bikes' and not 'cyclists'. If you have Dutch levels of cycling infrastructure, even many of those people who might think 'no way no how' would cycle, at least occasionally, if it were the most convenient way of making the trip.

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Ten years ago cyclists would have killed to have simple painted bike lanes. Now that they have them, they complain they're not safe enough. Paranoia grows in lockstep with increases in safety.
This isn't ten years ago. This is a time when the benefits of active transportation are better understood by society at large, when more people are cycling, and there is greater recognition that we can much better in protecting cyclists. Under we go full Dutch, we still have a ways to go. Protected cycle lanes are understandably controversial in areas where motorized vehicle lanes are being taken out to create bike lanes, I get it, drivers don't want to be inconvenienced for anything, but out here where there's a blank slate to work with, not providing properly protected bike lanes from the get-go could be argued to be willful negligence.


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In the tender is says "provide a 5.0m raised centre median (if applicable) where there are no access impacts to existing side streets or residential properties".

Is that for bus lanes?

Edit: answered my own question. It is literally just a median.
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No, I don't think they are leaving any space for a bus lane, it seems just a median for separation when there is no centre left turn lane present.
 

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