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Milton: School bans parents from driving kids to school

A conversion of a small stretch of previously unused shoulder on the DVP to bus bypass lanes lead right-winger Joe Warmington of the Toronto Sun to go on written rant about "bicycle-socialists", high taxes, fines, bike lanes on Jarvis Street, credit cards debt, slave labour in Third World countries, the high cost of the G20 summit, and the Service Industrial Complex.

And now a ban on driving to school in Milton leads right-winger Bloodknight to go on written rant involving the Canadian justice system, a liberal conspiracy and cover up of crime statistics, the sexual exploitation of children, thugs, gangs, bikers, guns, drug abuse, armed robberies, the high inherent criminality of non-white people, and political correctness.
 
From The Star, there is an article that missing the point about driving kids to school:

The Fixer: Deciphering Carlaw Ave. parking signs is an exercise in confusion

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When parking signs look like they are meant to cause confusion, drivers wonder if the end game is to pump up parking ticket revenue.

In our Aug. 7 column about contradictory parking signs, we asked readers to let us know about other signs that amount to ticket traps, which yielded several candidates.

But a photo from Norm Guilfoyle of parking signs on a pole on the east side of Carlaw Ave., just north of Danforth Ave., takes the prize for an example of signs that seem to intentionally cause confusion.

One sign specifies three periods between 7 a.m. and 6 p.m., Monday through Friday, when parking is allowed on the south side of the pole for no more than 15 minutes, “except public holidays.â€

A sign next to it says parking is prohibited during the three periods between 9 a.m. and 6 p.m. that are not included on the first sign, as well as any time on Saturday, Sunday and public holidays.

A third sign prohibits parking on the north side of the pole from Dec. 1 to Mar. 31, and from the 16th to the end of each month from Apr. 1 to Nov. 30.

Got it?

It may be simple for MENSA types or PhDs, but a lot of us could be left mumbling and scratching our heads.

In a note that accompanied the photo, Guilfoyle told us how he was trapped by misinterpreting the signs.

“Question: It is Saturday evening. Can I park here?†he asked.

“Answer: $40 fine. Cop says, ‘Can’t you read?’â€

We looked closely at the signs while considering his question, and couldn’t argue with what the cop said.

For us, the apparent contradiction over parking on public holidays is the real problem; the first seems to imply the restrictions don’t apply on holidays, while the second says parking isn’t allowed.

STATUS: Danny Budimirovic, a traffic engineer with transportation services, said he doesn’t see any contradiction between the two signs on holiday parking. The first says parking is allowed “except public holidays,†which he says is in line with the prohibition on any parking on public holidays. But shouldn’t the first say “no parking on public holidays,†to avoid any possible confusion? “Then you’re into too much information, which can also be confusing,†said Budimirovic. We disagree, but the bottom line is that the signs will not be changed, he said.

What is missing from the story is WHY is there a "STUDENT PICK-UP AND DROP-OFF AREA" in the first place? Can't the kids walk to and from school?

Have the children (and their parents) become so lazy and obese that they can't allow the children to walk to and from school? Why must they be chauffeured everywhere?

Stop driving the kids everywhere and there would be no need for such a mess of signage. Let them walk or ride the bike to and from school. Get 5, 10, 15, or 30 minutes of walking exercise.
 
What is missing from the story is WHY is there a "STUDENT PICK-UP AND DROP-OFF AREA" in the first place? Can't the kids walk to and from school?

Unfortunately some schools are banning children from walking to school because there is so much traffic in the school zone that it is actually dangerous. I don't think it has happened in Ontario yet but I don't doubt that it's coming.

*shakes fist*
 
I saw that Fixer article today, and I didn't really get it. The rules are complex, but similar around any school. The signage is not contradictory, and it's easy enough to figure out when you shouldn't park.

If that's the worst signage that The Fixer can find in the city, then it's not a real issue.
 
I'm sorry, but if someone can't understand that sign then maybe they're not ready for the complexities of urban driving.

I agree though, this walk-to-school thing is an issue. Tough one to solve.
 
I agree though, this walk-to-school thing is an issue. Tough one to solve.
It wouldn't be so much of an issue, if there weren't so many schools. Looking at the Kindergarten choices for my child. We've got Public, public French Immersion (over a mile away, too far to walk), public alternative (many, but there's quite a good one about half-a-mile away, within walking distance), Catholic English (no idea ... long way away, Catholic French (walking distance), Public French (no idea where), ... and presumably a Catholic English French-immersion. And that's just the public ones. Can you imagine if the Tories promise to give free schools to EVERY religion had been fulfilled.

... if it was just one school, that might offer different stuff, then you wouldn't have so many kids being driven places.
 
I agree that our multitude of school systems is a large part of the problem. That's what makes it tough to solve. If someone wants to take on the Catholic Church (separate schools), Quebec (French Immersion), and b'nai brith (Jewish private) at the same time I'd love to watch.

This would be easier to fix through pro-active demand management policies by school boards. Carrots (safe walk to school programs) and sticks (banning drop-off) together can be pretty effective. Then at least you're only taking on hysterical, safety-obsessed soccer moms....
 
Unfortunately some schools are banning children from walking to school because there is so much traffic in the school zone that it is actually dangerous. I don't think it has happened in Ontario yet but I don't doubt that it's coming.

*shakes fist*

The Nanny State contradicting itself.
 
Well then I guess I'm dumb because I got duped by a similarly-confusing pair of signs on Huntley St last summer.
 
I may be chiming in on this two years late, but a) I think this is a good idea, within reason, and b) the school appears to be named after Peter Lymburner Robertson, inventor of the Robertson screwdriver. Which is awesome, as is their school team logo.
 
How much does the school board have to pay for school buses? Would the school board save money if most of the kids walked or biked to school?

Another major advantage of walking or biking over driving, taking public transit, or taking a school bus:

It helps children get fit and allows them to hatch Pokémon eggs (as they are slow enough not to flagged by Pokémon Go for moving too fast).

Obese children aren't cute; they're a burden to our health care system (except in parts of Texas where walking to school is banned, given how some legislators there believe that overweight children are cute and that health care is paid out of their own pockets).
 

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